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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#138251: Dec 23rd 2021 at 5:58:47 AM

What's some ppl beef with Chavez anyway?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#138252: Dec 23rd 2021 at 6:02:21 AM

I'm guessing it's because she's a Latina lesbian, because otherwise, I don't see how anyone can get upset with someone who can punch portals into existence.

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#138254: Dec 23rd 2021 at 6:21:06 AM

I've been told that America Chavez had a bad run in the comics, with a series that people didn't like very much because it was allegedly bad quality. I haven't read it so I can't say for myself.

Which, y'know, is a completely valid reason to give up on a character. Just like how, after the Clone Saga, Spider-Man became so toxic that nobody ever wanted to read his comics or watch shows/movies featuring him again. Or how Iron Man became radioactive following the Civil War, and no one would even think of making him a major fixture of a brand new cinematic universe. It has nothing to do with a double standard.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 23rd 2021 at 6:22:10 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#138255: Dec 23rd 2021 at 6:30:31 AM

Chavez has had one or more bad runs that include a lot of cringeworthy Totally Radical "How do you do fellow kids?" dialogue that made her come off as grating. Given the MCU style's predilection for this kind of humor, it's entirely possible this aspect of her character is one the movies will be stuck with.

Edited by AlleyOop on Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:31:33 AM

Cross (Don’t ask)
#138256: Dec 23rd 2021 at 6:34:54 AM

[up][up] Get the point you’re making, but I can definitely see why a bad run-in with a character can turn someone off, especially when you don’t have other works to help your perception of them. Hell, it took me while to process that the “Holy Menstruation” panel was real not just a joke edit.

Edited by Cross on Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:36:58 AM

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#138257: Dec 23rd 2021 at 6:46:01 AM

If we can forgive Tony Stark for becoming Turbo-Hitler, I think we can forgive America for being mildly grating in dialogue.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#138258: Dec 23rd 2021 at 6:48:07 AM

From what I seen, there are people that haven’t forgiven him for that.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#138259: Dec 23rd 2021 at 6:53:36 AM

Hell, people still don't forgive Tony for his actions in the MCU even after he sacrificed himself.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#138260: Dec 23rd 2021 at 6:56:56 AM

Can attest to Tony being quite despised by very large swaths of fandom, so not the best comparison. It's to the point that many believe the portion of fanbase who have forgiven and accepted him knowing his actions make up a delusional Fan Dumb of terrible people, whether fairly or not (IMO sometimes it does become needlessly personal, although, many of said vocal Tony stans do have a reputation for being huge Jerk Asses and for sabotaging fandom events for essentially not worshipping Tony, so it's not without reason).

Edited by AlleyOop on Dec 23rd 2021 at 4:04:22 AM

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#138261: Dec 23rd 2021 at 7:12:24 AM

Oh America Chavez will get the woke sjw bullshit politics from people like Yellow Flash on youtube and be called a femmanist nazi from Critical Drinker or Midnight's Edhe before making a Doctor Strange 2 is not a triumph video.

Edited by Mizerous on Dec 23rd 2021 at 10:12:36 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#138262: Dec 23rd 2021 at 8:38:52 AM

America talking a Totally Radical way in her first solo run was pretty out of character considering Gillen’s Young Avengers and Al Ewing’s Ultimates, the series’s that made her popular, characterize her as saying little unless she has to. She keeps things close to the chest and isn’t above having a hidden agenda from her teammates. As long as the MCU portrays her in a similarly taciturn and secretive manner, she’ll be good.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:34:54 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#138263: Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:06:10 AM

...I think the only person I ever saw on these forums having a beef with Chavez, consistently and constantly, was Beatman 1 and he's no longer with us.

No, he's not dead as far as I know. Just got booted.

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Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#138264: Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:31:04 AM

Beatman got booted?

What did he do?

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#138265: Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:33:27 AM

Me, I just think 'America' as a first name is utterly cringy.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 23rd 2021 at 6:33:49 PM

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#138266: Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:34:12 AM

[up][up]Just sent a PM to you.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#138267: Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:34:46 AM

Well, America might have had a rough first run, but then started doing pretty well, and the MCU has managed to get some good stuff from some real flops.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#138268: Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:39:06 AM

Even though America was based off some guy's name?

And people having place names isn't rare?

[down] Same

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 23rd 2021 at 12:40:13 PM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#138269: Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:39:46 AM

She’s had a more recent run which was… eh. Tonally it was much more coherent and less cringey than her prior run, but its plot centered on rewriting America’s origin from something mystical and inspirational to mundane and grim. It’s like Superman learning Krypton was never real. I wasn’t a fan.

[down] Flattering evil grin

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:58:00 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#138270: Dec 23rd 2021 at 9:41:16 AM

[up]Beatman was.

And now he's no longer among us.

I'm starting to see a pattern.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138271: Dec 23rd 2021 at 10:00:51 AM

To Chavez's favor she has worked best as a member of a team as in Young Avengers and Ultimates so she shoukd do pretty good here here as a supporting member to the strange team.

[up][up][up] I remember one sitcom character named Florida.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 23rd 2021 at 10:01:30 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138272: Dec 23rd 2021 at 10:14:26 AM

I know way too many white kids named "India".

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#138273: Dec 23rd 2021 at 10:17:05 AM

There's people named "Abcde", for gods sake, "America" isn't that farfetched a name.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#138274: Dec 23rd 2021 at 10:21:53 AM

How is that pronounced?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#138275: Dec 23rd 2021 at 10:27:51 AM

For real life examples look no further than America Ferrera (who I’m willing to bet was the real life inspiration for naming Mac Chavez.)

[up]”Ab-si-dee”, apparently.


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