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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#138226: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:52:27 AM

[up]Usual policy is...I think, two weeks after it's released internationally?

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#138227: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:52:34 AM

Until it comes out on Disney+.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138228: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:53:06 AM

I really like how we're really going into the fantay magical shit.

Already looks like a funner time than the more muted first one with its its kung-fu wizards who barely did any magic.

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clockworkboy Since: Jun, 2013
#138229: Dec 22nd 2021 at 10:11:36 AM

I really like how we're really going into the fantay magical shit. Already looks like a funner time than the more muted first one with its its kung-fu wizards who barely did any magic.

I like the first Doctor Strange but that movie was mostly sold by the imagery and special affects, which it delivered in spades, as opposed to being super compelling as a story.

I too was disappointed that the magic used in the first one wasn't all that creative, although in my opinion the magic doesn't look much different here than it did before. Just looks like the same runic/geometric symbol magic we've already seen, I mean it's still cool looking but not all that inventive or unique to me.

Edited by clockworkboy on Dec 22nd 2021 at 10:12:16 AM

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#138230: Dec 22nd 2021 at 10:14:07 AM

I'm really waiting for an explanation of Clea if that's Rachel McAdams playing her. How it works and what it means to Christine Palmer. If that's really her that could mean more comics-like magic in the next movies, though they would have to change pretty much all we know about Dormammu, so we'll see.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138231: Dec 22nd 2021 at 10:28:44 AM

Also why use a very minor NAMOR villain for a Dr. Strange movie?

For the same reason they used a very minor Dr. Strange villain in Shang Chi?

To be more direct, I'd bet the reason is because they wanted Strange to have a random monster fight with something as an action scene, wanted it to be an otherworldly-type beast, and specifically didn't want it to be Shuma because Shuma is a big deal and/or they wanted to save him for something, so they explicitly named it after another tentacle monster instead.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 22nd 2021 at 10:32:42 AM

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#138232: Dec 22nd 2021 at 10:32:28 AM

Really, I'm just wondering how much Loki is going to tie into this film, if at all.

It's clear that his series is incredibly important in allowing all this madness to happen, so the series is important on that front.

At the same time though, he seems more prioritized on stopping Kang and his variants than whatever the hell is happening here. So any direct lines to the actual character seem unlikely here.

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#138233: Dec 22nd 2021 at 10:37:19 AM

[up]I'll place my chips on "don't hold your breath".

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#138234: Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:07:29 PM

Funny thought. I know we've been back and forth on whether Taskmaster can work as a mercenary in it for the money with the whole brainwashing thing of the character.

But recent events in Hawkeye have shown the possibility that that could happen. As we have outright confirmation of Black Widows that not only returned to the assassination gig after being cured but that they can have no problem with doing so going by Ana whose netted herself a fancy luxurious mansion through killing people for money.

So Antonia returning with her comic self's signature mercenary professionalism does appear more likely.

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#138235: Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:22:38 PM

[up][up][up]Well, we know he shows up here at least.

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#138236: Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:48:09 PM

RE: Doctor Strange 2 teaser already dropping online:

Oh geez, I really need to watch Spider-Man and watch that teaser the way Feige intended.

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#138237: Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:49:53 PM

Eh, I was a little bit disappointed to find out that the teaser has nothing specific to do with No Way Home. Usually Marvel puts more meat in them.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138238: Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:52:22 PM

Yeah, it's - to be frank - just a trailer. It doesn't really segue from the film itself.

Don't worry about spoiling yourself on Spider-Man if you watch it now.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:52:59 PM

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#138239: Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:54:09 PM

I can confirm that it has nothing to do with Spiderman in the slightest.

Has something to do with Wandavision but it's mostly a line about, um, "Westview".

Need to finish that show someday.

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#138240: Dec 22nd 2021 at 1:04:33 PM

And it might have to do with What If and its version of Doctor Strange.

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#138242: Dec 22nd 2021 at 1:43:01 PM

Yeah, it's - to be frank - just a trailer. It doesn't really segue from the film itself.

Don't worry about spoiling yourself on Spider-Man if you watch it now.

I mean, I thought everyone was kvetching about getting a trailer for DS2 for a long while and I bet that Feige wanted to surprise them via NWH, so I kinda feel obligated to honor that.

(Probably doesn't help that the pandemic and the fact I don't have D+ has stopped me from catching up on the MCU in a legal manner. sad)

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#138243: Dec 22nd 2021 at 3:35:17 PM

[up] I don't think Kevin Feige wants people to not watch a publicly released trailer. Yes, people who saw NWH opening weekend got to see it a bit early, but even when I saw it in theatres it was blindly obvious they just stapled the DS 2 teaser (that probably would of come out at roughly this time anyways) onto the end of NWH.

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#138244: Dec 22nd 2021 at 7:45:45 PM

Are the Spider-Man films ever going to show up on Disney +? Maybe they could make some deal with Sony, it's kind of weird that the entire MCU but those films are included (especially considering that plot points from those films do show up in the other MCU films and shows).

McSkywalker Since: Oct, 2013
#138245: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:06:17 PM

To answer that question from above, the key word is eventually. One of the more promising things in regards to Disney/Marvel & Sony’s working relationship going forward was the deal to have steaming rights to most of Sony’s library after Netflix starting next year including Spider-Man.

Nonetheless, it will go like this, Starz gets first dibs until that deal expires, then Netflix and lastly after a couple of months on that service, the films will head to Disney+ and some of those Disney-owned cable channels like FX.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#138246: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:25:10 PM

I haven't got the chance to see No Way Home yet due to my country still being under lockdown, so I guess fuck me for accidentally getting a huge NWH spoiler when I didn't expect it, I guess.

You know exactly the person I'm talking about. The one who posted a goddamn unmarked NWH spoiler in here. You really should have been more considerate of other people.

I'm really mad now.

Cinemas haven't been allowed to open yet in many places, and many of us have no choice but to wait until the movie is available to watch elsewhere. I tried so damn hard to avoid NWH spoiler, and I came into this thread expected everyone to be respectful and considerate of people who haven't got to see it yet but still want to contribute to conversations about other MCU properties.

Edited by Nightwire on Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:14:35 AM

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#138248: Dec 23rd 2021 at 12:02:00 AM

And apparently part of the reason she backed off was because she didn’t want to push Colleen Wing out of the MCU.

THR: Did part of you say no to Shang-Chi because you didn’t want to officially close the book on Colleen Wing joining the actual MCU?

Henwick: That definitely did come up in the discussion. If I did [Shang-Chi], I would effectively be putting Colleen to bed. It wasn’t the main factor, but it definitely came up in conversation. I love Colleen. She changed my life. Of course, if I was given the opportunity to revisit her, I would, but I just don’t know how likely that is. […] I love Colleen. But we’ll see. I gave her a happy ending. She’s happily living in New York with Misty. They’re running their own business together. So she’s good where she is as well.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#138249: Dec 23rd 2021 at 12:03:31 AM

Y'know, when I went to see No Way Home in theaters and the Doctor Strange teaser showed up, one person in the audience was loudly complaining about America Chavez being in it.

I actually yelled at them to shut up lol.


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