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    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#138201: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:36:43 AM

She always does keep having accidents, doesn’t she?

Edit: This pagetopper makes it look like I’m talking about a baby.[lol]

Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:37:50 AM

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#138202: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:38:42 AM

So it looks like the bright/ colored Strange and Wanda on the teaser poster are our versions of Wanda and Strange. AKA "Good Strange" and "Good Wanda". The others are variants.

The variant Wanda has the Scarlet Witch crown too. The Strange on the right looks like the dark Strange, while the one on the left is probs Defender Strange.

Okey Dokey!
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#138203: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:39:34 AM

Yeah having watched it with the benefit of rewind the tentacle monster looks far more like Shuma than Gargantos. From the pictures I'm looking at, depending on how he's drawn, Shuma can have spikes around his eye. Whereas the only pictures I could find of gargantos don't.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#138204: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:43:37 AM

I see this picture, and think "What are they doing with Christine Palmer?"

Okey Dokey!
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#138205: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:47:24 AM

The poster looks better than most of the previous ones, and I am not sure why.

The legend has returned.
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#138206: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:48:45 AM

Yes, I have been hearing that Wanda would be the villain, but honestly, it doesn't fit with the trailer or character arc. That said, her doing something accidentally, I'm good with that. You've got to give the prise to the animators, it's just incredible.

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Yeah, people have been saying that since WandaVision, likely out of wishful thinking over the fact that Wanda's such a Karma Houdini in that show. I think some fans might simply have found it easier to digest by interpreting it as a Start of Darkness.

It may also be rooted in the fact that the fandom convinced itself Multiverse of Madness would be a direct sequel to WandaVision, following up on the plot points and themes introduced in that show. But WandaVision tells a complete story and there's little to follow up on, so the only way for that to make sense is if it's hyping up Multiverse of Madness's villain.

In actuality, Multiverse of Madness is not WandaVision 2. It's Doctor Strange 2. It's right there in the title. This is his story, first and foremost, with Wanda as a guest star. Which is why I found one moment of the trailer particularly amusing:

  • Fandom: This movie will be about Dr. Strange dealing with the fallout of WandaVision! He'll battle Wanda and then duke it out with Mephisto and probably rescue her kids! And the Hex will have unforeseen consequences! And and and—
  • Strange: I'm not here to talk about Westview.

I bet you that's the only mention the Hex even gets in the film. [lol] Realistically, the takeaway from WandaVision to Multiverse is probably just going to be that Multiverse builds more on that whole "Wanda is the Scarlet Witch" thing.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:49:38 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138207: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:49:14 AM

I'm a simple man. I see Shuma Gorath and I get hype.

Back when the LEGO set got out, someone did some digging and found out that wasn't Shuma, but this guy.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#138208: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:50:19 AM

Wanda Vision 2 is definitely Agatha's show, let's be real here.

The legend has returned.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#138209: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:50:57 AM

She already a TV show tho

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#138210: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:52:34 AM

I wonder how far they are going to explore variants, properly just a plot to the story but 5 minutes of just meeting these alternates would be a highlight.

Sincerely S Awatching.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138211: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:56:42 AM

Its amusing to realize Doctor Strange 1 came out of a bit of a while ago.

Man it took some time to get an actual sequel.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#138212: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:56:58 AM

I mean, we got Strange Supreme, Defender Strange, Strange Prime, Wanda Prime and Illuminati Wanda from the looks of it.

Okey Dokey!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138213: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:58:49 AM

I'm not sure if that's Strange Supreme, mostly because it doesn't look like Strange Supreme. Back in the No Way Home thread, the theory came up that it's a magical illusion or something, given that the villain of this one is rumored to be Nightmare.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#138214: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:01:58 AM

My little sister thought it was cheesy. So. There's that.

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#138215: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:07:51 AM

I lost my mind upon seeing what looks like Strange Supreme in this teaser.

Also, this dropping the same day as the last episode of Hawkeye was not expected. Wooot!

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
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The sleepiest good boi
#138216: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:13:14 AM

Is this the exact same trailer that came after No Way Home or are there some differences?

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#138217: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:18:21 AM

[up] This looks like the exact same trailer.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#138218: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:34:32 AM

Looking back, you realize that without the events of Loki, none of No Way home or likely the events of Doctor Strange 2 would happen.

Harsher in Hindsight: Aunt May wouldn't have died and Peter wouldn't have made the sacrifece and the doubtless diesters yet to come, would not have happened if Sylvia had set aside her vengeful glorious purpose (I am not raging, it was an amazing way to have the Shows impact the wider MCU, just noting.)

Edited by SAwatching on Dec 22nd 2021 at 7:47:07 PM

Sincerely S Awatching.
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#138219: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:35:45 AM

Spoil that second paragraph, bro.

The legend has returned.
DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#138220: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:37:58 AM

I see this picture, and think "What are they doing with Christine Palmer?"

Some are saying that she is an alternate Palmer who becomes a sorceress named Clea.

Edited by DoubleOG on Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:38:23 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#138221: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:38:09 AM

[up][up][up]Here's how you use spoilers, type each bit below together:

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spoilers

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Uncle Ben was a Symbiote!

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Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:38:21 AM

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#138222: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:46:49 AM

Back when the LEGO set got out, someone did some digging and found out that wasn't Shuma, but this guy

How though? The eye ball monster in the trailer has spikes on its eyelid like Shuma does. The creature also has a similar number of limbs as Shuma. Compared to Gargantos who has far more.

Also why use a very minor NAMOR villain for a Dr. Strange movie?

Even the Lego set creature looks more like Shuma. And there's no better picture of Gargantos to use other than that derpy looking one for comparison. This is so lame. The creature is not even at the sea.

Edited by NoName999 on Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:48:27 AM

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#138223: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:49:42 AM

The LEGO set explicitly calls it Gargantos in the set name. Don't know what else to tell you.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#138224: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:50:00 AM

One theory that I've seen going around which I like is that Gargantos is a herald of the real Shuma. And so they're doing a composite between Shuma and Gargantos.

Edited by jjjj2 on Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:50:09 PM

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SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#138225: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:51:16 AM

With Gargantos, it is not unusual for the films to take a very minor character and make them a major player. Strange has that very example; Kaecilius.

Also how long do we keep the new spider-man under spoilers?

Sincerely S Awatching.

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