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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
What screwed Ao S's pooch was the 5 Year time jump, for the most part the whole "That happened last year and now we are mostly back to normal" would have worked. It was a good path to go by since the writers were aware of the events of Infinity War (the last eps of Season 5 they do make some references the fighting elsewhere) and once they confirmed that they went by Comic Book Logic that most of the status quo would be restored in Endgame.
For the most part...they were right.
But this is what I'm talking about.
They knew things would be solved, but they were apparently told absolutely nothing about the full details.
So they had no way to take the five year time skip into account at all.
And like, this is the show that, way back in it's first season had an episode that near directly lead into the Winter Soldier (it aired in the same week, mere days before the movie came out) and then an episode right after that that showed the entire debacle and its aftermath from the point of view of the Shield agents.
That obviously took some coordination on the part of the tv and movie people that the last two seasons of AOS did not have.
They were literally told absolutely nothing at all, and like, what even is that?
It's not like anything that happens in the series effects the movies (due to them being in production months and even years in advance of the show). A quick heads up wouldn't have hurt.
But nobody on the movie side said anything.
As far as I know. I do know the TV people said they wouldn't be acknowledging the snap, and I think it was said that it was due to not be told anything about it, but it's soon to be four years since that happened, so I could be missing some details.
One Strip! One Strip!The problems were Feige (Movie) and Perlmutter (everything else in Marvel), The last big tie in between AOS and was the AOU tie in and that was RIGHT before the split where they Movies left Perlmutter's control. And he HATED that, its been rumored that despite the movie and tv people WANTING to do more references and connectivity between them Perlmutter actively insured there would be no crossovers.
His relations with Fox over X-Men and FF is legendary, as in icy didn't begin to cover it.
Now that Perlmutter has been removed from most of his old creative oversight posts, all the rights reverting back to Marvel, and Feige in firm control things are getting better
Yeah, Feige has made it clear that he respects the popularity of the Marvel Entertainment TV shows, and would love to expand upon them more like they're doing now with Daredevil. That being said, because Ike Perlmutter is literally the worst, I'm not surprised it took this long for it to happen.
I'm not counting on everything ABC and Netflix-related will be re-integrated immediately, but I'm willing to bet that those are ideas on the table.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."The canonicity of AOS compared to the Netflix shows seems a bit more suspect since according to the writers of WandaVision they were apparently told to completely disregard the Darkhold's appearance in SHIELD. The canonicity of Runaways is also suspect considering Doctor Strange had its own completely separate version of Tina Minoru. And Inhumans will definitely be ignored entirely, for obvious reasons.
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonI'd imagine AoS would be Broad Strokes canon. Kind of has to be after the Continuity Snarl with the snap. So if they bring back any characters, the show would be canon, aside from some retcons.
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Told? They were told that? I know they did, but I didn't know they were told to do so.
Do we have 100% confirmation on that?
One Strip! One Strip!The only info I've heard about it was from this Screen Rant interview
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Okay, I guess that tracks. I do remember hearing they were told to, but I guess I could be mistaken.
Still, the fact that Marvel, who're usually so strict about continuity, would give a pass to them ignoring a supposedly canon entry in the franchise still probably says something about how they regard AOS.
Edited by lbssb on Dec 20th 2021 at 1:20:27 AM
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonI agree with you but I couldn't help but chuckle at this:
Like. Remember that time Iron Man blew up all of his suits and then kept showing up with Iron Man suits in all future appearances anyway?
Or that time Tony and Pepper broke up and it was really sad, and then got engaged to marry in their immediate next chronological appearance?
Or that time Bruce Banner couldn't Hulk out anymore because of... something... but then resolved it offscreen between two movies, one of which is a direct sequel to the other made by the same creative team?
Or when Civil War made a plot point out of the Avengers recklessly ignoring civilian casualties in Sokovia, even though Age of Ultron explicitly depicted the Avengers as prioritizing minimizing harm to civilianry, and actually Tony Stark creating Sokovia's destroyer would have been a more salient point to criticize?
...man, Tony's at the center of a lot of these, isn't he?
EDIT: Oh yeah, remember when Bruce Banner became the Hulk permanently, with the explicit indication that he will never, ever turn into Bruce Banner again? Which was immediately followed by the "Bruce can't Hulk out anymore" plot?
Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 20th 2021 at 1:28:54 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Touché. Amend that to "usually pretty good about continuity" then.
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonYeah Tobias has brought it up plenty of times and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it before myself but the MCU is great at the illusion of continuity. They have long-term goals but their real strengths are in how greatly they quickly improvise for more immediate projects, how willing they are to change those long-term plans, and how great they are at connecting esoteric plot points to make the whole greater than the sum of its parts.
The MCU's relationship with canonicity is similarly flexible, which I know irks a lot of nerds like us that want clean straight de facto answers. The truth of the matter is that AOS's canonicity to the MCU changed: it was at first clearly meant to be in the same boat as the MCU, but after Feige broke free from Perlmutter Marvel Studios and Marvel Entertainment diverged until that connection no longer became feasible, and now it no longer matters since Feige's swallowed up Marvel Entertainment as well. So the answer went from a very firm but implicit "yes" to a very big "maybe?" slightly leaning at "no", and the MCU can totally keep or change that however it wants.
The writers have done a… decentish job of making character beats out of Tony’s zig zagging status quo.
Him just showing up in suits after he blows up his suits is rewritten to him not actually being able to step back and it undermines his relationship with Pepper which drastically affects his emotional state in Civil War and is partly to blame for his questionable decisions there but Cap taking half of the Avengers and fucking off finally does allow Tony to step back in the worst way because the Official Avengers team basically dies as nobody on the pro-Accords side was really that pro-Accords
A lemon drink was made out of this. I don’t know if it was lemonade but it is a beverage
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAt somepoint I need to watch the Runaways TV show, given that they're my favourite marvel property. But they and Cloak & Dagger are probably the least likeky properties to be cannonised to the MCU. And I can't help but feel like the premis requires the marvel setting to be way more established than it was.
I feel like Runaways coming after the fantastic four and X-Men are reintroduced would make more sense, but a reboot seems pretty unlikely given that Marvel has other properties they'd be interested in developing.
Also I don't feel like Marvel would be interested in doing the episodic soap opera adaptation of Runaways I want.
Inb4 the aliens are retconned as being mutants somehow, and we're right back to where we started.

I feel like the disconnect would've eventually gotten in the way of the Netflix shows, given that their very grounded nature meant they were pretty disconnected from the rest of the MCU. With how they largely confined themselves to New York City, I feel like they'd be in a very tough spot regarding how to work around things like inconveniently dusted characters.
Okey Dokey!