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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138126: Dec 17th 2021 at 3:14:11 PM

Turns out there's a fair bit of Doctor Strange content in No Way Home that implies stuff for Multiverse of Madness. Should that stuff be discussed only in the no way home page for now as it's Spider-Man spoilers, or should it be discussed in a Doctor Strange thread?

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#138127: Dec 17th 2021 at 3:19:14 PM

It's a trailer for Doctor Strange so I don't think it would be against the rules to mention it in Strange's dedicated thread. That being said that trailer indicates that it's pulling from many places in the current MCU. WandaVision, What If…? (2021), it's a sequel storywise to Spider-Man: No Way Home. So I could see the logic in just talking about it in this thread.

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#138128: Dec 17th 2021 at 4:12:43 PM

Saw No Way Home, and loved it!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138129: Dec 17th 2021 at 4:17:45 PM

Interesting bit, in Dark Avengers they had someone bearing the Scarlet Witch name and costume but it was a supervillain named Toxie Doxie who from what I read is basically an evil chemist.

So they pretty much will have anyone fill in a hero identity regardless of whether they fit or not.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#138130: Dec 18th 2021 at 12:06:18 AM

I have also just seen the movie.

To quote the legendary Troy Barnes: I don't know what to do, my whole brain is crying.

sobs quietly in the corner

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Lost in Space
#138131: Dec 18th 2021 at 4:44:53 PM

Hoo boy, they certainly threw the kitchen sink at No Way Home, didn't they? I honestly can't discuss how much is taken from the comic books since I lack personal familiarity with them. What I can say is that the movie could have been a horrid mess but manages to hold its through-line together remarkably well by focusing on the specific struggle of the protagonist rather than the horde of villains trying to kill him.

This does result in the villains feeling a bit sidelined, but what can you do? Something's got to give in a 2 1/2 hour film. I like the feeling that Peter is trying to undo not just his own failures but those of the entire multiverse. The ending, of course, delivers that lovely gut punch we've gotten used to from Spider-Man stories and wraps up the Tom Holland trilogy in a nice little bow.

Be prepared for some heavy shit.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 18th 2021 at 7:46:00 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#138132: Dec 18th 2021 at 5:33:37 PM

I felt the villains were handled well for the most part; there's no law saying they all have to be perfectly symmetrical and balanced, so some getting more screentime and importance is fine. Alfred Molina and Willem Dafoe's reprisals of Doc Ock and Green Goblin were perfect, and I'm glad Jamie Foxx got to redeem his Electro. Lizard is obviously just kinda there as one more ugly face to punch, but again, that's fine.

There are a few characterization quibbles I have, such as Sandman being perfectly willing to team up with the other villains to murder Spider-Man just because he's impatient to go home— the exact opposite goal the other villains have, no less. Or the fact that Doctor Strange, a man who once prepared for a battle by looking at 14 million possible timelines just to be sure, would just blindly rush into a spell without first working out all the details with Peter ahead of time.

I still enjoyed the film, though.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138133: Dec 18th 2021 at 5:36:22 PM

We should probably keep more plot/character delving Spider-Man conversation - even with spoiler tags - to the No Way Home thread, at least for a week or so. Even with spoiler tags, most people who come to the thread probably won't even have seen the movie yet.

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Lost in Space
#138134: Dec 18th 2021 at 6:02:23 PM

Agreed, but something I find interesting about NWH is that it bears a certain resemblance to a gag from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. In that book, it is said of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation that its products' superficial design flaws mask their fundamental design flaws. This film's surface-level spoilers conceal the really big spoilers underneath.

In a way, discussing the motivations of the villains is a red herring. It's all about Peter's. And hoo boy, I think he's a strong contender for the biggest martyr complex of any hero in the MCU.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 18th 2021 at 9:09:23 AM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#138135: Dec 18th 2021 at 7:47:06 PM

[up] So in other words he's Spider-Man. [lol]

(I keep doing cheeky one-liners someone please help)

(Also I haven't watched NWH yet NO SPOILERS PLZ)

Edited by Watchtower on Dec 18th 2021 at 10:47:24 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#138136: Dec 19th 2021 at 9:47:15 AM

So, I was just thinking about this. With Jarvis from Agent Carter making an appearance in Endgame, and with Daredevil, and possibly all of the Netflix stuff being re-canonized, isn't it quite ironic that Agents of SHIELD of all things, aka the very first MCU series that even directly connected with the movies in it's first seasons, is now more or less the ignored, red-headed step-child of the verse?

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#138137: Dec 19th 2021 at 9:55:16 AM

It makes me sad as Agents of Shield was my favorite out of all the tv shows.

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#138138: Dec 19th 2021 at 10:01:53 AM

It sucks, especially since Agents of SHIELD was the only show to outright contradict the movies thanks to them ignoring the Snap after doing the Infinity War tie-ins at the end of season 5.

The other shows you can afford some wiggle room, but that was the only outright Continuity Snarl from the pre-Disney Plus series.

Of course, we don't know exactly what approach they'll take with the Netflix shows right now. It could be that they're still canon, they could apply Broad Strokes, or this could be an outright Role Reprise similar to J.K Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#138139: Dec 19th 2021 at 10:08:01 AM

Agent of Shield and it's ignored status is depressing.

As I understand it, they received no information about the effects of the Snap in Endgame, and were left with no choice but to do their own thing instead. Had they known, they probably would have used the time travel plot to avoid having any significant cast members be snapped in the first place.

There's also all the stuff with the Inhumans, which Marvel and Disney are avoiding like the plague, so that probably didn't help things.

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#138140: Dec 19th 2021 at 12:20:08 PM

I feel like Coulson is gonna pop back up somewhere, at some point. And it'd be funny because everyone's gonna be like, "Who are you?"

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#138141: Dec 19th 2021 at 12:22:55 PM

[up]

I don't think that would be funny at all.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138142: Dec 19th 2021 at 12:23:56 PM

There is literally only 2 Avengers who left who would even know him.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#138143: Dec 19th 2021 at 12:25:15 PM

Fair enough.

Still not chuckling.

I'm not Knuckles after all.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138144: Dec 19th 2021 at 12:30:05 PM

Wait no 3.

So half the original crew is gone, with just Hulk, Thor, and Hawkeye.

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#138145: Dec 19th 2021 at 12:32:43 PM

[up]Also Fury and Hill, but one's not on Earth right now and the other... huh, where is Maria?

And I'm fairly certain Hawkeye's going to end with Clint retired for good this time and leaving Kate to pick up the reins.

Edited by lbssb on Dec 19th 2021 at 12:33:38 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138146: Dec 19th 2021 at 2:44:23 PM

And I was thinking about Hulkling and how his parentage would go here and my mind wandered to some crazier ideas.

Maybe he is a genetically grown in a vat Kree/Skrull hybrid, maybe Carol is his mother or at least had her DNA implemented in his creation.

Its fun to think about.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#138147: Dec 19th 2021 at 8:59:35 PM

Man, we really got a lot of stuff this year. Four movies and five TV shows. All of which were very fun and great to watch to get away from the real world for a bit.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Dec 19th 2021 at 10:19:42 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138148: Dec 20th 2021 at 1:22:51 AM

Yeah weird to think the next film isn't until May. I'd gotten used to the constraint presence of content.

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#138149: Dec 20th 2021 at 7:49:09 AM

huh, where is Maria?

I'll do you one better: who is Maria?

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#138150: Dec 20th 2021 at 8:11:23 AM

[up] I'll do you one better: when did Maria?

...go to space. Because I'm pretty sure she's in space. Since she's confirmed for Secret Invasion.

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