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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#137976: Dec 13th 2021 at 4:49:32 PM

According to Gunn Vin Diesel and Bradley Cooper have never been on set. Why bother cozying up when you can just sneak away with the bag? [lol]

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 13th 2021 at 6:50:09 AM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#137977: Dec 13th 2021 at 4:50:04 PM

[up][up] It's almost like Cooper should get some sort of role to allow him to act on set with the others. It's like how Paul Bettany enjoyed playing Vision more than voicing JARVIS.

Edited by dmcreif on Dec 13th 2021 at 7:50:12 AM

Okey Dokey!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137978: Dec 13th 2021 at 4:51:41 PM

[up] Yeah, agreed.

Then again, maybe the two prefer to have that sort of cash grab role so they can focus on other things. Who knows.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Dec 13th 2021 at 4:53:21 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137979: Dec 13th 2021 at 5:02:20 PM

I think Cooper and Diesel get plenty of credit for their roles voice-wise. I think if anything Sean Gunn doesn't get as much credit for providing the physicality of Rocket.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#137980: Dec 13th 2021 at 5:16:31 PM

[up]Absolutely! It's a big credit to him that he can juggle that on-set mocap and putting in a good performance as Kraglin as well.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137981: Dec 13th 2021 at 5:21:24 PM

So re-watching Endgame, and I just realized another reason why Thor was so angry at himself.

It wasn't just his choice to not go for the head.

Remember that part where everyone is taking a shot at Thanos and he's just curbstomping them all, while Wanda is being forced to destroy the Mind Stone?

Where was Thor during that scene? Most likely, he was still mopping up what remained of Thanos' army and missed Cap's call for them to gather.

Considering he was, for a moment, able to overpower Thanos even with all the stones, if he'd been there a few seconds earlier, he might have been able to stop the Titan before he even got the mind stone, or distracted him long enough to prevent the rewinding of time.

So man, Thor fucked up hardcore.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137982: Dec 13th 2021 at 5:31:00 PM

In fairness he didn’t have a comm device

Won’t stop him from blaming himself though

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#137983: Dec 13th 2021 at 5:35:18 PM

Gosh the fandom hate for Red Hulk initially was universal.

It wasn't universal, it had fans and it sold well.

And then Jeff Parker took over and won over some of the people that initially hated the character.

In any case an MCU Red Hulk would be different from Loeb's take and maybe take what worked from Parker's run.

Edited by Cortez on Dec 13th 2021 at 9:37:39 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137984: Dec 13th 2021 at 5:51:26 PM

Incredible how something can be so maligned yet profitable at the same time.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 13th 2021 at 5:52:02 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137985: Dec 13th 2021 at 5:58:33 PM

Like, we should have known that after they bothered with Civil War.

All any character or plot needs is someone willing to put in the effort to make it work.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#137986: Dec 13th 2021 at 6:03:57 PM

Why was Red Hulk portrayed as super OP anyway? Isn't he supposed to just be a Hulk-like, but he gets hotter in temperature the angrier he gets, instead of stronger with anger like Hulk himself? How is that super overwhelmingly powerful?

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 13th 2021 at 7:04:05 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#137987: Dec 13th 2021 at 6:06:36 PM

It seems like textbook shilling. You try to show how cool a character is by beating a bunch of older established powerhouses. But that doesn't replace good writing.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137988: Dec 13th 2021 at 6:07:51 PM

That’s just how Loeb likes to write

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#137989: Dec 13th 2021 at 6:09:00 PM

The biggest crime of Red Hulk is the lack of a moustache.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137990: Dec 13th 2021 at 6:52:06 PM

Funnily enough the second Red Hulk does have a mustache.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137991: Dec 13th 2021 at 7:00:05 PM

They're the same person. The reason his second Red Hulk form had his iconic stache was because by that point his identity was already known to the readers.

The main reason he didn't have his stache in his original Red Hulk form was to keep his identity a secret during that first run.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137992: Dec 13th 2021 at 7:24:55 PM

There actually is a second Red Hulk though, Robert L. Maverick who was a member of the U.S.Avengers.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/main_qimg_f3126f5b869990a2dc16dd6d421a9006.png

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#137993: Dec 13th 2021 at 7:50:29 PM

I hope those sunglasses broke as soon as he smashed something because that's just baffling.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#137994: Dec 13th 2021 at 8:12:33 PM

[up] They stayed on because they were cool.

Why was Red Hulk portrayed as super OP anyway?

Because he had Gamma and Cosmic energy.

Immortal Hulk delved deeper into the relationship between Gamma and Cosmic energy.

Edited by Cortez on Dec 13th 2021 at 12:14:31 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#137995: Dec 13th 2021 at 8:17:51 PM

[up][up]The sunglasses Hulked out too and gained super durability.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137996: Dec 13th 2021 at 8:25:26 PM

Gamma glass

They make you look gamma badass

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 13th 2021 at 11:25:38 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137997: Dec 13th 2021 at 8:26:09 PM

[up][up] Okay, but does he wear them at night?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Dec 13th 2021 at 8:26:22 AM

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#137998: Dec 13th 2021 at 9:46:06 PM

It's a shame the hat didn't get the same powers there. [lol]

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#137999: Dec 13th 2021 at 10:20:30 PM

Jeph Loeb did the same amount of shilling in his Wolverine Run towards Romulus.

And also over at DC towards Hush. Guy just loves his original characters. (Even though in Rulk's case it ended up being an altered existing one)

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#138000: Dec 13th 2021 at 10:28:30 PM

Loeb's writing faculties tanked hard in the early 00's and never recovered, with the "shilling of a random OC villain nobody particularly liked" being a constant symptom. No one quite knows why he went to the gutter so suddenly (keeping in mind he wrote The Long Halloween and Dark Victory, two of Batman's most acclaimed stories to this day) but it is generally assumed to have been at leeast partly fallout from the death of his son due bone cancer in 2005.

He's also notoriously terrible with writing minorities, something brought to the fore in the behind-the-scenes of DD and IF where apparently Loeb activly suggested no one write about asians because "no on gives a fuck about asian people" (according to actor Peter Shinkoda).

Edited by Gaon on Dec 13th 2021 at 10:29:02 AM

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