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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137951: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:05:38 PM

Its a shorthand spike.

Its mostly guys like speculators buying up all the books and once the event ends it drops back to where it once was.

Marvel's obsession with events is very short-sighted.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#137952: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:08:57 PM

Not to mention the yearly events mean that the status quo is changing so rapidly, ongoing comics only have 12 issues to address the current on going thing, which means it's always going to interrupt what ever storyline was intended to be the focus of any particular run.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#137953: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:09:32 PM

Events used to be good, exciting and epic. Back when they didn't hapen at least twice a fucking year.

Now, they are just a chore.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137954: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:12:14 PM

Its the difference between say King in Black or Devil's Reign which is the culmination of an entire run and character's epic story and arcs.

Vs Heroes Reborn where its a random-ass thing happening out of nowhere that has little to no ramifications or importance aside from putting to rest an ignored plotline everyone's forgotten about because they never did anything with them.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137955: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:14:15 PM

Events cause a temporary spike but usually cause the sales on books that tie in to drop

Presumably because people that were reading the book before the event drop it out of frustration of the story getting hijacked into another story. And people that read for the event don’t stick around

Which seems like chasing short term gain at the expense of the long term audience but what do I know.

[up] I actually feel like Heroes Reborn was a decent event. For one, it didn’t interrupt any other books

It’s an Avengers event that only impacts the Avengers book.

If only more events were that polite

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 13th 2021 at 5:16:27 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137956: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:21:11 PM

As I recall, events used to happen only in Annuals didn't they?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137957: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:25:54 PM

Not just but that was something Marvel started doing in I wanna say the late 80s

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137958: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:27:11 PM

[up][up][up] That is indeed nice though its not an uncommon opinion for the story to be regarded as kind of a waste of time. The way the story unfolds doesn't help with that.

Ya know actually having the Ultimates book, I rather like at least from a plot and art perspective.

Like the characters are just fucking terrible barring Thor and Tony but the actual and spectacle is pretty fun. Ultimates 2 is one of my favorite books overall because it prolly has one of the best escalations I've seen in a story.

Mark Millar actually does have talent when he's not being edgy.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 13th 2021 at 2:27:38 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#137959: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:29:08 PM

We actually have a full list of all the Marvel event comics.

Looking at that list, it's only around the mid-2000s that Marvel really went into overdrive with their event comics, with them happening pretty much annually. And then later, multiple events happening in the same year.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137960: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:29:22 PM

Ultimates 2 where Hawkeye kills people with fingernails isn’t edgy?

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#137961: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:34:51 PM

[up] Not much edgier than Mainstream Bullseye doing the same.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137962: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:35:59 PM

[up][up][up]

I don't see Atlantis Attacks on that list.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137963: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:36:01 PM

I mean we can all agree Bullseye is edgy

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#137964: Dec 13th 2021 at 2:58:57 PM

also he can't spell,it's Bull's eye

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137965: Dec 13th 2021 at 3:04:41 PM

Yes Ultimates 2 is where Hawkeye famously pulls a Bullseye and escapes imprisonment by using his finger nails as make shift darts.

It's a pretty impressive sequence thanks especially to Bryan Hitch's art.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137966: Dec 13th 2021 at 3:20:33 PM

My second thought is that this weirdly would be a case where those giant honkin turbine like manacles often seen in the 90s would be fully prudent

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#137967: Dec 13th 2021 at 3:24:27 PM

Mark Millar actually does have talent when he's not being edgy.

I remember being shocked to find he wrote a good chunk of Superman Adventures. A lot of really great issues, too.

Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#137968: Dec 13th 2021 at 3:32:14 PM

Remember the Comics subforum is that-a-way, guys.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137969: Dec 13th 2021 at 3:53:09 PM

To stay on the topic of movies, the Ultimates was adapted into an animated movie Ultimate Avengers. It used the comics general storyline and designs while also utilizing the normally heroic characterizations of the characters so Hulk isn't a cannibal, Cap's not a jarhead, and Hank isn't a wifebeater.

Its also where this famous fight scene where Hulk battles the Avengers comes from.

It had a sequel but sadly it was just a rehash of the first movie but with Black Panther involved instead of adapting any of the Ultimates 2 storylines.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 13th 2021 at 3:55:40 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137970: Dec 13th 2021 at 4:27:15 PM

Having not read too many comics myself, I'm very curious what the MCU is going to do with their take on Secret Invasion. From what I understand, it's apparently something that's planned to be smaller in scale than the original comic event, with a general theme about paranoia. I kinda hope it'll introduce both good and evil Skrulls, so as to make the group more enigmatic, but similar to us humans in that we have good and bad eggs.

Also kinda curious about who Emilia Clarke could be playing. Gotta wonder if she'll be a human, a Skrull, or something else entirely.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#137971: Dec 13th 2021 at 4:33:12 PM

With a face like Emilia's, I'd think she'd be a human or a Skrull who primarily spends time in a human disguise.

Okey Dokey!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137972: Dec 13th 2021 at 4:43:03 PM

[up] On the other hand, Ben Mendelsohn is a pretty good-looking guy, and he spent most of his time in Skrull form in Captain Marvel.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#137973: Dec 13th 2021 at 4:44:25 PM

Karen Gillan, Zoe Saldana, and whoever decided Lupita Nyong'o would play a mocap alien in Star Wars say hi too.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#137974: Dec 13th 2021 at 4:46:13 PM

And don't forget Bradley Cooper and Josh Brolin.

The legend has returned.
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137975: Dec 13th 2021 at 4:48:12 PM

[up] Man, I always felt like Bradley Cooper doesn't get enough credit for the voice of Rocket. Maybe I'm biased because I watched Alias as a kid, but it always feels like Sean Gunn is always in group photos because he's both Rocket's on-set performer and Kraglin, whereas Cooper never seems to hang out with any of his Guardians castmates...

Edited by MatthewWayne on Dec 13th 2021 at 4:49:15 AM

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