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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#137876: Dec 11th 2021 at 1:20:17 PM

That's actually the handle of Stormbreaker, not a ship.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#137877: Dec 11th 2021 at 1:22:18 PM

I thought that was a creepy guy with tentacles over his face. But on a closer look yeah it’s Stormbreaker.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 11th 2021 at 1:22:48 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137878: Dec 11th 2021 at 5:16:17 PM

So uh...about that poster? Taika says it ain't legit.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#137879: Dec 11th 2021 at 5:19:10 PM

Huh. Well then.

I think we can agree this probably isn't a "Jonathan Majors says he's not in Loki" situation, since I don't see the point in lying about a poster. If it was legit he probably just wouldn't say anything.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137880: Dec 11th 2021 at 5:39:04 PM

Admittedly, I was pretty suspicious about it being a real poster, since it looked so...meh to me.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#137881: Dec 12th 2021 at 7:45:17 AM

I've seen it suggested elsewhere that what the poster likely is is a third-party knockoff made to be cheaply sold at retailers. They're usually more explicitly cobbled together from existing assets but with so little released material it looks more like commissioned fanart.

It's got some good ideas at least, kinda wanna see those happen still.

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137882: Dec 12th 2021 at 8:32:37 AM

Like how can Jane be Thor if the Hammer is broken? In the poster, it looked very cracked, absolutely cracked.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#137883: Dec 12th 2021 at 8:35:29 AM

I feel like there is a good explanation for Mjolnir coming back: Eitri is still alive to make a new one, and since no one is around to make it so that only a worthy person can pick it up, Jane can pick it up and use it like Thor or Steve.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Dec 12th 2021 at 11:35:41 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#137884: Dec 12th 2021 at 9:00:30 AM

So uh...about that poster? Taika says it ain't legit.

Aw, barnacles. sad

Side note: Thor had a sleigh that ran on goats? Man, Norse mythology is weird.

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#137885: Dec 12th 2021 at 9:01:13 AM

Isn't the whole point of the Jane-Thor storyline that Thor becomes unworthy of the hammer because of self-doubt and Jane becomes worthy of Mjolnir and uses it in his stead?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#137886: Dec 12th 2021 at 9:01:13 AM

My working assumption has always been that the hammer will be reforged from the fragments. Eitri could be involved, but doesn't have to be.

Presumably they were left lying in the Norwegian field after the initial confrontation with Hela and the Asgardians found them shortly after arriving on Earth.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#137887: Dec 12th 2021 at 9:02:44 AM

They might've made those Mjolnir fragments the center from which New Asgard radiated outwards.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#137888: Dec 12th 2021 at 9:20:48 AM

Isn't the whole point of the Jane-Thor storyline that Thor becomes unworthy of the hammer because of self-doubt and Jane becomes worthy of Mjolnir and uses it in his stead?

In the comics yes, but Thor was given a moment in Endgame where even at his fattest and most self loathing, Mjolnir came straight back to his hand and showed him he was in fact still worthy so probably going to take a different (and dare I say it better) route in the movie version.

Edited by jakobitis on Dec 12th 2021 at 9:21:10 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137889: Dec 12th 2021 at 9:53:08 AM

Sorry to go off-topic for a second, but I just noticed on the MCU Wiki that apparently Kurt from Ant-Man's last name is "Goreshter". Did we ever see or hear that in the actual movies? Cause I sure as hell don't remember that.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Dec 12th 2021 at 9:53:38 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#137890: Dec 12th 2021 at 10:09:13 AM

Nope,thats a really weird middle name too

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#137891: Dec 12th 2021 at 11:05:33 AM

I don't know where the MCU Wiki got that from. We don't even know Luis's or Dave's last names either, for the record.

Kurt's not the only one this has happened to. Alexandra from The Defenders (2017) apparently has the last name "Reid" according to the MCU Wiki, but this was never mentioned onscreen (even though it's plausible considering we know the Hand leaders have been through multiple names, as evidenced by Jessica finding those papers with Alexandra signing under so many different names, or Bakuto having a Japanese-sounding name but played by a Puerto Rican actor).

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#137892: Dec 12th 2021 at 11:25:27 AM

That's a Word of Saint Paul thing. Dastmalchian mentioned it on twitter a few months ago.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137893: Dec 12th 2021 at 11:47:46 AM

[up] Huh. Interesting.

I guess the MCU Wiki is a bit more lenient on accepting Word of Saint Paul as viable canon unless proven otherwise. I think they have a similar stance when it comes to deleted scenes, since I've occasionally seen scenes that weren't part of the official film included on character pages. This section on Hank Pym's page about a mission he did in the 80s in Buenos Aires is a good example.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137894: Dec 12th 2021 at 12:27:39 PM

About the Jane Thor situation, in the original story Thor was taken out of commission so Jane can be Thor similar to say when Tony was knocked into a coma so Riri Williams can be Iron Man or Batman getting his back broken so Azrael can be Batman.

Which I can imagine they won’t do this time because Thor losing his powers again and having to go through incredible self-worth issues may be a tad……. repetitive.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 12th 2021 at 12:33:14 PM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#137895: Dec 12th 2021 at 12:32:25 PM

And Thor has been on a cycle of no self-esteem since. If we can avoid that, it'd be great.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137896: Dec 12th 2021 at 12:45:28 PM

If anything, Thor should have more self-esteem than he did previously. Since he fought Thanos, realized he was still worthy, and now is heading back into space to have fun without any responsibilities as King of Asgard.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#137897: Dec 12th 2021 at 4:12:24 PM

Plus, while MCU Mjolnir can give people "the power of Thor", it doesn't literally turn them into Thor the way Marvel Comics Mjolnir does. When Steve and Vision picked up the hammer, they were still just Steve and Vision; they didn't suddenly gain a winged helmet, locks of gold, and an extra-buff physique.

So while we may see Jane pick up Mjolnir and kick a bunch of ass, I'm doubting she'll actually take up the title of Thor. Most likely, everyone will simply call her Jane, and Thor will still be Thor.

Edited by RavenWilder on Dec 12th 2021 at 4:13:10 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#137898: Dec 12th 2021 at 4:25:38 PM

[up]Given the humorous tone of the movie, I expect the idea of Jane Foster being the new "Thor" to be brought up and joked about. Not mocked necessarily, but not really taken seriously either.

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#137899: Dec 12th 2021 at 5:53:35 PM

I just have an issue with the earlier proposed idea of Mjolnir losing its worthiness enchantment to allow Jane to wield it. Like, no, the whole POINT of Jane-Thor is that Jane has become worthy of wielding Mjolnir.

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#137900: Dec 12th 2021 at 6:12:27 PM

[up] I think it's kinda obvious that Hela breaking Mjolnir likely changed the hammer's nature from being able to wield Thor's powers to becoming Thor.


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