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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#137826: Dec 9th 2021 at 4:01:36 PM

It’s weird. The Mantis in the Crossing was later revealed to be a Space Phantom because of course. But in the dna Guardians she politely greets Kang like an old friend.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137827: Dec 9th 2021 at 4:03:03 PM

You can justify it as Mantis' future vision allows her to be aware of the stuff.

The Guardians game had a pretty cool interpretation of Mantis as being constantly aware of parallel universes and being somewhat unsure which is happening.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 9th 2021 at 5:23:45 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137828: Dec 9th 2021 at 5:15:39 PM

[up] That's pretty cool actually.

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#137829: Dec 9th 2021 at 5:35:20 PM

Yeah, it made her a very weird, yet fun character to be around. Constantly making remarks like, "Oh, good, this is one where that happens! That means none of you die in the next five minutes. Oh, unless this is the one where you blow up the universe."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 9th 2021 at 5:36:14 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137830: Dec 9th 2021 at 5:37:34 PM

Reminds me of that one character from Voltron Legendary Defender.

He could see multiple futures and shit.

And that's that. It's Legendary Defender, so I'll say no more.

I didn't know Mantis could seem multiple timelines. Is that a power she has in the main MU?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#137831: Dec 9th 2021 at 5:42:28 PM

She can see the future. I know that much

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#137832: Dec 9th 2021 at 5:56:41 PM

Why do people sometimes call Mantis "the worst Avenger," anyway?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#137833: Dec 9th 2021 at 6:00:56 PM

Do they? That’s amazing considering the roster has included Dr Druid

Or Moondragon who only joined the Avengers to convince people to quit the team

Mantis was an Avenger for all of five unobjectionable minutes and a helpful house guest and girlfriend to an Avenger for longer

I can’t see her as the worst Avenger at all

Even new Captain Britian nevermind Lionheart was worse. She joined for one mission and then got exploded and unceremoniously removed from the team while she was in the hospital.

Or hell, are we counting all the spin-off teams? Fucking Eric O’Grady was secretly an Avenger.

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 9th 2021 at 9:01:30 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137834: Dec 9th 2021 at 6:12:49 PM

I was under the impression that Dr. Druid was 100% the worst Avenger.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137835: Dec 9th 2021 at 6:18:41 PM

Eric O’Grady — ugh, that guy.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137837: Dec 9th 2021 at 7:22:30 PM

He apparently was legitimately trying to be better.

But then he died during Siege, and no one cared (because he's still kinda an asshole) so when he came back in a Life Model Decoy as Black Ant, he just decided to be a villain.

So good work proving everyone right there Eric.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#137838: Dec 9th 2021 at 7:40:29 PM

That's not actually what happened.

He didn't die during Siege, he died years later. Then there has been a succession of robot duplicates built by various villains, two of whom have died.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137839: Dec 9th 2021 at 7:42:03 PM

Oh.

But the fact that no one cared was a thing right?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#137840: Dec 9th 2021 at 7:59:54 PM

He died in Secret Avengers and nobody cared because he was replaced by a LMD him on the team as a mole.

They cared when they learned but due to the circumstances it was more 'you asshole' directed at the LMD.

And then the LMD Black Ant became a those two guys with Taskmaster and it never really seemed to come up or matter that he was involved in the death of Eric O'Grady Ant-Man and nobody ever spoke of Eric O'Grady again.

Possibly because so much of his panel time in his eponymous book was spent being a creep.

Long live Scott Lang, the one true garbage fire Ant-Man.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137841: Dec 9th 2021 at 8:14:54 PM

He died in Secret Avengers and nobody cared because he was replaced by a LMD him on the team as a mole.

They cared when they learned but due to the circumstances it was more 'you asshole' directed at the LMD.

And then the LMD Black Ant became a those two guys with Taskmaster and it never really seemed to come up or matter that he was involved in the death of Eric O'Grady Ant-Man and nobody ever spoke of Eric O'Grady again.

Possibly because so much of his panel time in his eponymous book was spent being a creep.

....well at least they did care, but man, that's kinda worse. At the same time, yeah. Eric was a horrible person, who hadn't done anywhere near enough to redeem himself when he died, but it comes off a little as a Heel–Face Door-Slam.

I suspect he was the one killed because if the LMD acted out of character, no one would even notice due to nobody liking him.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137842: Dec 9th 2021 at 8:17:56 PM

He and Taskmaster are now best of friends though.

To the point Tasky will come back to save him after selling him out.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137843: Dec 9th 2021 at 8:19:06 PM

Oh right. That happened back during the Hunted Arc.

That's pretty cool. And like, Taskmaster is pure mercenary so it says a lot that he's willing to go back for him.

Of course, Taskmaster is the reason he was in danger in the first place.

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SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137844: Dec 10th 2021 at 9:32:29 AM

Given how much the MCU has become its own world after 26+ movies, there are just a few things coming or rumored that I struggle to see how these things would mesh in. Nitpicky I admit.

X-men and Mutants: So far there going to continue with the X-men cartoon, but bringing them into MCU sounds a stretch because the basic point of mutants is that there are people who suddenly develop powers, which just hasn't been shown cast really MCU wise.

World War Hulk: If this is true I can only see it In Name Only adaption given Thor: Ragnarok was half of the prologue.

[up] Anyone else seeing an arc featuring the Multiverse starting with Loki and continuing with Spider-man and Doctor Strange.

Sincerely S Awatching.
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#137845: Dec 10th 2021 at 12:02:14 PM

[up]That arc actually officially started with WandaVision. Marvel announced it as such ahead of time.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137846: Dec 10th 2021 at 12:13:05 PM

[up] Y'know, it is kinda funny that WandaVision is being treated as the beginning of this whole Multiverse saga. I mean, outside of that fake-out with Pietro, I don't think anything really multiverse-related happened in that show, did it?

Makes me pretty confused about why people seem to think Wanda was one of the people responsible for the Multiverse coming to existence just because she became the Scarlet Witch. I would think Sylvie and Strange would hold more responsibility on that front...

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#137847: Dec 10th 2021 at 12:15:41 PM

Likely because of her tapping into the Darkhold and reaching out to her kids in another timeline might be the first breach of the walls between the multiverse?

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#137848: Dec 10th 2021 at 4:46:37 PM

[up] We don't have confirmation of her influence on the multiverse so it's up in the air.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137849: Dec 10th 2021 at 9:31:02 PM

Y'know, if the events of Loki never happened, I wonder how the TVA would be dealing with the multiversal threats happening in the Sacred Timeline right now.

I can only imagine how interesting it would be for Doctor Strange, Wanda, and Peter to be apprehended by the TVA and be shown what would happen in their lives in the Time Theater before being pruned...

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#137850: Dec 10th 2021 at 9:35:55 PM

If the events of Loki never happened, would those films' plots even be possible to happen?

Like, Strange couldn't accidentally summon supervillains from a multiverse that doesn't exist, right?

On the other hand, it's a bit unclear if He Who Remains would care about worlds like the Raimiverse where Nathaniel Richards doesn't exist and therefore Kang is an impossibility.

Edited by lbssb on Dec 10th 2021 at 9:38:49 AM

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