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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137751: Dec 8th 2021 at 5:20:17 PM

It reflects the comics in a way. Adam has been very sidelined compared to his huge prominence during all the Infinity titled things and his spike in panel time in the dna Guardians

Pip has been popping up without Adam to sidekick in other books

So he’s like the Rick Jones of space in a way, willing to sidekick for anyone. So shoving him in as Eros’ sidekick fits in that sense. It’s always Pip and some tall handsome bastard

[up] it doesn’t help that the two things people know about Starfox are “Thanos’ brother” and “I heard from someone who heard from someone who maybe read a comic that he’s a creep?”

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 8th 2021 at 8:22:35 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137752: Dec 8th 2021 at 5:37:04 PM

The Pandora's Box thing is definitely a thing that isn't limited to comics either. Right now, Peter Quill is currently stuck as "that asshole who fucked everything up" because of that once scene in Infinity War.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#137753: Dec 8th 2021 at 5:39:08 PM

They could just give him a visual indicator of when he's using his powers. That would pretty much fix everything.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137754: Dec 8th 2021 at 5:41:27 PM

[up][up] An incompetent asshole at that since he's also been emphasized as kind of a joke since then.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#137755: Dec 8th 2021 at 5:47:19 PM

Plus Chris Pratt’s reputation going down the gutter. tongue

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137756: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:00:57 PM

I genuinely wonder how James Gunn is going to rerail the character after that. With the one-two punch of Infinity War and Endgame, plus What If, it's gonna be a steep slope to climb.

Of course there's Love and Thunder that's yet to happen, but I doubt Taika Waititi is entirely focused on Quill's character development for that story.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Dec 8th 2021 at 6:01:11 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#137757: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:05:32 PM

I'm still thinking Love and Thunder might just feature the Guardians for the first couple scenes of the movie, and Thor either leaves on his own accord or gets kicked out by Quill after he does something stupid.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137758: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:07:06 PM

[up] That's what I'm speculating too. Basically, the same role Doctor Strange played in Ragnarok.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137759: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:07:11 PM

I do hope there is some progression for the Guardians soon.

They kind of have a perpetual poverty thing going on so unlike say Tony who makes new suits every movie or Peter who is steadily becoming a more competent hero every movie, there isn't really a sense of improvement for the Guardians.

Same crappy ship, same crappy equipment, and piss-poor money because nothing they do ever seems to improve their reputation enough to score consistent work.

I guess its like the Cowboy Bebop crew but a bit more egregious since its not like Spike ever saved the universe or anything. His story and everyone else's for the most part was a personal tale.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 8th 2021 at 6:08:14 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137760: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:08:57 PM

Thing is, if their finances improve enough they'd just...settle down and start new lives.

The Perpetual Poverty thing is annoying but it's kind of necessary to keep them going around having space adventures.

Disgusted, but not surprised
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137761: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:13:33 PM

Yeah, it's kinda hard to measure the Perpetual Poverty thing without figuring out how the general economy in space works. And God knows we got enough of that in Star Wars.

I don't think it's fair to say the Guardians don't ever upgrade though. I mean, the Benatar is loads better than the Milano.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137762: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:14:32 PM

I mean they could just enjoy the space adventuring just for the sake of it. I'm not sure if Quill or Rocket would ever find themselves doing anything else in their lives.

Plus comfortable retirement would cost a lot of money especially for a team of like 5 people.

[up] I forget which ship is the Benatar?

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 8th 2021 at 6:17:09 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#137763: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:16:33 PM

The whole Peter fucking everything up thing is mostly true, but also seems a bit unfair, since unlike everyone else, he was actually willing to sacrifice someone he loved to protect the universe. Sure he failed, but he was willing to pull the trigger on Gamora, when basically everyone else is just like 'no don't kill X, I'll give you the stone.'

Well, that's not fair. Three he takes by force, three he extorts from people.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#137764: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:16:38 PM

[up][up][up]I literally did not realize until just now that those are two different ships.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 8th 2021 at 7:16:46 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137765: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:21:17 PM

The Milano was destroyed in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. And by destroyed, I mean completely totaled thanks to the Sovereign and that Epic Fail of a crash-landing. And once the Guardians abandoned it on Berhert thanks to the plot progression, they presumably switched to the much bigger Benatar, which is the ship used in Infinity War and Endgame. Currently, the Guardians are still using it. Presumably, repairing the Milano would've taken too much time and units.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Dec 8th 2021 at 6:22:30 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#137766: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:26:02 PM

I genuinely wonder how James Gunn is going to rerail the character after that.

Then again he was the one that made MCU Quill less serious than his comic book counterpart.

Edited by Cortez on Dec 8th 2021 at 12:49:54 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137767: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:27:03 PM

The whole Peter fucking everything up thing is mostly true, but also seems a bit unfair, since unlike everyone else, he was actually willing to sacrifice someone he loved to protect the universe. Sure he failed, but he was willing to pull the trigger on Gamora, when basically everyone else is just like 'no don't kill X, I'll give you the stone.'

That's actually very fair. When push came to shove, Peter did it. It's funny, because even at my angriest towards Quill, I remembered that yeah, when the time came to fulfill his promise, Quill did it.

And considering he's someone who'd very much have difficulty letting go of things after the loss of his mom and then Yondu, the fact that he honoured her request, despite what it required him to do means he's got a lot of guts.

This makes the whole thing worse. Thanos had no faith Quill would do it (and yet turned his attack into bubbles pre-emptively anyway, thereby making the entire thing meaningless), and what do you want to bet that if anyone else learns he had the chance, they'll assume he pussied out, because he doesn't seem like he has the will to sacrifice something.

So not only will he be blamed for basically giving Thanos the win, he'll have people assuming he couldn't do something we all know he can do.

For the love of god, someone fix Quill. He needs help.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137768: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:27:07 PM

Okay just checked.

The Milano

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/milano_space.png

And the Benatar

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/benatar_avengers.png

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137769: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:28:01 PM

I actually prefer the Milano to be honest. It looks better to me.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137770: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:34:17 PM

There's admitably not much of a noticeable difference, both ships clearly come from the same model line.

Its like say the Millennium Falcon is destroy and the heroes get a new ship that looks like 90% like it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137771: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:39:15 PM

I don't know. I think there is more of a difference between the ships. It's just that view doesn't really reflect it.

Do we have another angle on the Milano?

One Strip! One Strip!
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#137772: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:42:36 PM

The one on top looks like it's in better shape, honestly. But something more distinctive would be nice...

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137773: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:45:45 PM

Okay I got a comparison shot of the 2

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/9092a53a276951463d91b1668161caad.jpg

The wing shape and nose of the ship is shaped differently

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#137774: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:49:15 PM

I think I remember hearing that the scene where Quill actually pulls the trigger on Gamora was an addition by Gunn. Apparently in the original script, Quill finds himself unable to actually make the sacrifice.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Dec 8th 2021 at 9:49:45 AM

ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#137775: Dec 8th 2021 at 6:54:18 PM

[up]That would certainly be on brand for the movie, in which none of our heroes can freaking count.


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