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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#137726: Dec 8th 2021 at 3:31:37 PM

[up][up]Eh, I mean it clearly was supernatural, outsiders just thought he was crazy at first.

With Moon Knight on the other hand, it's more ambiguous.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 8th 2021 at 12:31:47 PM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#137727: Dec 8th 2021 at 3:39:30 PM

Iron Fist's second season was better about its tone at least, being more bombastic and less self-serious.

But yeah it still sucks that Luke Cage and Iron Fist's cliffhangers will never get addressed.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#137728: Dec 8th 2021 at 3:46:18 PM

People should mention Punisher more as part of the Netflix shows, it got two seasons, same as Iron Fist and Luke Cage.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#137729: Dec 8th 2021 at 3:54:01 PM

I think most people only remember the Punisher series because of the one gif meme more than anything that happens in the series. I only saw Season 1 but I remember it mostly being boring and having a horrible episode about gun control.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#137730: Dec 8th 2021 at 3:54:05 PM

Yeah, and I loved it, but honestly, Frank had the most conclusive Arc of them all. I mean sure, theoretically you could make a 3rd Season, but as it is, it's a very self-contained series with no open plot threads whatsoever.

[up] Given that he got his own series in the first place, and a second Season to boot, I don't think that this Statement is accurate.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 8th 2021 at 12:59:37 PM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137731: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:03:39 PM

I never got around to watching Punisher the Netflix. Wasn't very interested.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137732: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:22:36 PM

I haven't watched any of the Netflix shows period. I have seen clips from Daredevil and Jessica Jones, but I never watched the whole show because I didn't know if it was worth committing to.

And let me clarify, I do like the Dark Knight Trilogy, and I understand that we wouldn't have gotten comic-book movies into the mainstream as easily if it wasn't for that trilogy. I just think that Marvel Entertainment subscribing to a similar format the trilogy had did seem to limit the Netflix shows overall.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#137733: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:24:04 PM

[up][up]

I saw the first episode and it involved a guy hitting a brickwall repeatedly

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#137734: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:25:46 PM

All I know about the Netflix shows for sure is that Kilgrave is easily the scariest MCU villain, period.

The legend has returned.
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137735: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:32:30 PM

[up] From what I've seen of Jessica Jones, I'm inclined to agree.

Though speaking of Kilgrave, that does make me wonder how Marvel is going to handle Eros in the MCU going forward. From what I understand, he has very similar powers to Kilgrave, except apparently he's supposed to be a good guy? And that the character himself hasn't aged all that well?

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#137736: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:33:52 PM

Given that he got his own series in the first place, and a second Season to boot, I don't think that this Statement is accurate.

Then let me rephrase: most casual viewers of MCU properties.

The Netflix shows seem to have largely faded into distant memory beyond Daredevil, nowadays the Marvel Netflix era is looked at with mixed feelings of derision and some praise (a lot of hate towards Iron Fist and the Defenders). I almost never see anyone bring up the Punisher series beyond the one gif of Frank freaking out during a nightmare about his family being killed, though. Which is weird because the Punisher is a VERY popular character, yet I almost never see people bring the Netflix series up when discussing him or Marvel Netflix in general.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#137737: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:36:20 PM

[up][up] He could just not use his powers to sleep with people.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#137738: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:39:27 PM

Even if that is stated and shown, the simple fact that he has a power like that at all would make people side-eye any relationship he gets into, and that sounds like a best-case scenario.

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137739: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:42:57 PM

Well he is a God.

Those relationships are always fucked up.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#137740: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:47:11 PM

Better stock up on nails then

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#137741: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:48:21 PM

How about making Eros Asexual? Or that would bring Unfortunate Implications I'm unaware of?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#137742: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:52:00 PM

Drop the implications entirely and force something else would my answer

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#137743: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:55:09 PM

[up]×2

If he has the same powers i don't think it would change much.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137744: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:57:02 PM

In the comics he eventually gave up those powers

So an adapted him doesn’t really need them. He’s already a flying brick without

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#137745: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:57:21 PM

Being someone who loves spoilers, the end credit scene is the only thing I've watched of Eternals so far, but I found Eros to be very charming in his brief cameo. And I say that as someone who has previously said that the character shouldn't appear in the MCU.

Of course, rapists can be charming, but he came across as really likable and sort of... noble I guess, in the way Thor is. Whereas his comic version is kind of a creep in how he comes across, right?

So, I wouldn't be that warry of Unfortunate Implications in his characterization.

Incidentally, Pip the Troll has also been somewhat rapey at times in the comics, but again, from his brief appearance, I wouldn't be too worried about him in the MCU.

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 8th 2021 at 5:01:22 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137746: Dec 8th 2021 at 5:04:10 PM

I know nothing about Eros except for the fact that he's Thanos' brother, and he's a heroic character. Ditto for Pip the Troll, who I know even less about.

Hell, I only learned about the date rape part of the character from this Twitter thread.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137747: Dec 8th 2021 at 5:07:30 PM

His comic self was written as charming too

The She Hulk arc about Starfox is more an in universe fridge horror thing. Man has super charm powers with no visual indicator when he is or isn’t using them. And is also charming in and of himself without using the powers that it’s hard to know if he is using them or not

I can’t speak of all of his appearances but in his first stint with the Avengers he never used his powers socially. He and She Hulk slept together but that was She Hulk at her horniest. He mostly uses the power on people he’s fighting to make them too giddy to want to fight.

I’m pretty sure the end of said She Hulk arc revealed that he’d never used his powers inappropriately but the whole experience made him ask for the super charm powers to be removed because he’d come to realize that they were super sketchy

Because a power copying android power copied him and inadvertently fucked up She Hulk’s life by making her and John Jameson fall obsessively in love with each other

And learning about that made Starfox go “oof”

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 8th 2021 at 8:09:57 AM

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#137748: Dec 8th 2021 at 5:10:57 PM

I enjoyed the Punisher series at the time, but I recognize its probbo elements that are pretty much inherent to the character. Still felt like a big step up from Iron Fist and Defenders.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137749: Dec 8th 2021 at 5:11:14 PM

Pip the Troll funnily enough was Adam Warlock's sidekick from when they and Gamora formed a trio during the original Infinity era.

Pretty funny how separate the characters are here.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137750: Dec 8th 2021 at 5:17:54 PM

[up][up][up]

I didn't know he had the powers taken away.

I knew that the She Hulk arc ended with him not actually being guilty of anything though.

I imagine it doesn't matter. The idea of him as the Date Rape hero stuck.

Once you open a Pandora's Box like that, nothing ever closes it, especially if aren't keeping regular track of things in the comics.

It's one of those things that just instantly becomes a meme unfortunately.

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