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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#137526: Nov 30th 2021 at 11:51:56 AM

I think Odin's powered by Asgard too? I don't know.

Oh! The Bifrost definitely runs on Asgard-given god power. The Rainbow Bridge seems to function like a power conduit, the destruction of which immediately shuts the Bifrost down. We also know that Odin can use his own god powers to send Thor to Midgard because he does so in Avengers 1. And with Stormbreaker in hand, Thor too can open his own Bifrost-transits whenever he pleases.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 30th 2021 at 11:52:49 AM

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#137527: Nov 30th 2021 at 11:55:42 AM

We also know that Odin can use his own god powers to send Thor to Midgard because he does so in Avengers 1.

The writers of Infinity War say in the commentary that that was Heimdall, which he uses again to teleport the Hulk.

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#137528: Nov 30th 2021 at 11:57:18 AM

Oh, never mind, then.

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#137529: Nov 30th 2021 at 11:57:41 AM

Now that I think of it, did Odin use any magic in the MCU? All I remember him doing was physical fighting, showing up on his horse, and falling into the Odinsleep...

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#137530: Nov 30th 2021 at 11:58:03 AM

[up]Does turning into fairy dust count?

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#137531: Nov 30th 2021 at 11:59:19 AM

Apparently his staff spear though has the same bifrost power as Stormbreaker. Would have been a shorter movie if Hela had known that.

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#137532: Nov 30th 2021 at 11:59:39 AM

The biggest thing I can think of that Odin did was when he stripped Thor of his powers and inscribed the Worthiness enchantment on Mjolnir.

...both of which make a lot more sense if Thor's powers are provided by his connection to Asgard and not by his internal godness. Odin just had to sever that connection.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 30th 2021 at 12:00:24 PM

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#137533: Nov 30th 2021 at 12:02:01 PM

[up][up][up] Uh...I guess?

[up] And yeah, that does make sense, and makes the whole Asgardian mythos very interesting to think about.

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#137534: Nov 30th 2021 at 12:02:25 PM

Makes Ragnarok work better too. Thor didn't just blow up his home, he abandoned the super god colonialist power it gave him.

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#137535: Nov 30th 2021 at 12:03:32 PM

Even without Stormbreaker or Asgard, Thor seems to have enhanced durability, as he wouldn’t have survived that long in space or against the energy of a star if he were no stronger than a human without his powers.

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#137536: Nov 30th 2021 at 12:03:34 PM

[up][up] Huh. Guess that's a similarity between him and Star-Lord. Both of them sacrificed their godlike powers to destroy an insane family member.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 30th 2021 at 12:03:42 PM

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#137537: Nov 30th 2021 at 12:10:13 PM

The distinction between Odin and Frigga's sources of powers most likely does stem from being Gods from 2 different groups.

Odin is an Aesir while Frigga is from Vanaheim.

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#137538: Nov 30th 2021 at 12:18:15 PM

The film talks about how Asgard isn't a place, it's a people. The people of Asgard sided with Thor, so he's still connected to Asgard, while Hela was only interested in and connected to the throne and the palace and the treasure vault; take those away, she's got nothing.

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#137539: Nov 30th 2021 at 12:28:32 PM

Right. Thor wasn't cut off from Asgard because he realized Asgard wasn't a place, it was a people.

... a people that, in Infinity War, were mostly destroyed.

That said, I don't think Surtur's destruction of Asgard was necessarily what beat Hela, he just overpowered her what with his crown being put in the Eternal Fire granting him ridiculous power. Thor handily beat him earlier in the movie but that was a crippled Surtur a fraction of the size of Ragnarok (the event, not the movie) Surtur.

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#137540: Nov 30th 2021 at 12:40:15 PM

Huh, y'all make it sound like Thor is a fisher king in reverse. The healthier his people are the stronger he himself becomes.

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#137541: Nov 30th 2021 at 1:04:35 PM

I subscribe to the fan theory that Hela managed to teleport herself just in time to save herself, and she's been out of focus since the destruction of Asgard would've still significantly depowered her. Though if What If? is to go by then maybe not that depowered, since her Necroswords are shown to be weapons connected to her headdress. Would be cool if she in trying to reclaim her godly power somehow stumbled into and conquered Helheim - would be a fun way of realigning her back to her comic and mythological personae.

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#137542: Nov 30th 2021 at 1:26:50 PM

I wouldn't base anything on What If?, personally. The show plays fast and loose with continuity. The writers take its premise as tacit permission to Broad Strokes everything.

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#137543: Nov 30th 2021 at 2:00:11 PM

I dunno, I don't see why certain minor details that don't contradict canon (Hela's helmet granting her Necroswords, Red Guardian's shield, Zola having at least one more version of himself, etc.) can't be treated as such unless stated otherwise. IMO What If's a far weaker series if it can't inform anything of the main canon and is thus completely trivial outside of the multiverse stuff.

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#137544: Nov 30th 2021 at 2:14:08 PM

I'm very curious what where Gorr's power will come from due to the theory that is Necrosword will come from Hella.

Strengthened by how Collector in What-If outright calls Hella's blades Necroswords.

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#137545: Nov 30th 2021 at 2:21:23 PM

So he stole it from her corpse?

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#137546: Nov 30th 2021 at 2:38:20 PM

I'm thinking it will be some kind of Celestial-connected weapon in this version.

The reason I say that is because of what seems like an ongoing plot thread in some current and upcoming Phase 4 stuff.

Specifically (spoilers of course) Shang Chi has a stinger about a mysterious origin of the ten rings (granted, it could just be Fing Fang Foom) and the Eternals has a stinger where Dane Whitman is going to take out his cursed sword before being stopped by Blade. Also, I've seen some vague spoilers suggesting that Kamala Khan's powers in the MCU are connected to an arm band she wears.

In particular though, it seems like an easy connection to have Dane's sword be the same kind of thing as Gorr's, because you really don't need a separate origin for two similar Artifact of Doom swords.

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#137547: Nov 30th 2021 at 5:25:02 PM

Eternals spoilers ahead, proceed with caution as they might relate to Shang Chi.

There's a brief moment in the end credits for Eternals where you can see an illustration of an arm with a set of five rings on them, strongly suggesting The Ten Rings are derived from Celestial tech.

Edited by MrSeyker on Nov 30th 2021 at 5:25:11 AM

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#137548: Nov 30th 2021 at 5:40:30 PM

Thor clearly still has a ton of power even after Asgard's physical destruction. As was noted earlier, Thor tanked a fucking star to the face while forging Stormbreaker. Sure, it nearly killed him were it not for Stormbreaker, but still.

A star. To the face.

That Thanos was able to easily defeat him before that just highlights how powerful Thanos is — remember that Thanos is someone who can beat the Hulk in a fistfight without using the Power Stone.

Edited by M84 on Nov 30th 2021 at 9:42:12 PM

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#137549: Nov 30th 2021 at 5:52:58 PM

I think they're saying that Thor lost his non-hammer lightning powers that he gained during Ragnarok.

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#137550: Nov 30th 2021 at 5:57:01 PM

TBF, it doesn't seem like there was much of an opportunity for Thor to use any of that power. Thanos' attack happened too quickly and Thor never got into another fight between that and forging Stormbreaker.

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