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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#137476: Nov 26th 2021 at 11:07:06 PM

Yeah, I don't even think Pietro is mentioned in Civil War.

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#137477: Nov 26th 2021 at 11:08:20 PM

Instead she suppressed all the trauma until it exploded.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137478: Nov 26th 2021 at 11:08:44 PM

In hindsight Tony never really did grapple that Ultron was a dark mirror of himself. All of Ultron's instabilities, his mannerisms, his beliefs, all inherited from him because Ultron was effectively his son.

But he never really undergoes the appropriate shock and horror at the realization that he's literally fighting an insane version of himself. Unlike Hank Pym who is deeply ashamed that Ultron was the byproduct of everything wrong with him as a person and magnified by a thousand, Tony is never shown caring much.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#137479: Nov 26th 2021 at 11:12:11 PM

It did take the comics a while to get around to the horror and etc because Hank had a whopping case of amnesia about even creating Ultron.

And even when he remembered that he did, it took another long while before he revealed that it was his brain patterns that made Ultron what he was.

Ultron is a lot of Ultron to blow in one movie honestly. He ramps up and just gets worse and worse.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#137480: Nov 26th 2021 at 11:15:44 PM

[up][up]One thing I like about this interpretation is that ultron coments about steve are in a way, what tony really think of him: that steve is a loose canon needing a war to be whole again.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#137481: Nov 27th 2021 at 4:54:50 AM

I've been reading Bocaj's Avengers blog. Ultron's multitiered introduction was a lot of fun. Ultron having a giant flying engine instead of legs that one time was particularly goofy and fun.

Said blog is also the only reason I recognize one of the characters in Hawkeye.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Nov 27th 2021 at 7:57:24 AM

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#137482: Nov 27th 2021 at 6:10:11 AM

Yeah, I don't even think Pietro is mentioned in Civil War.

Not directly by name. Clint indirectly is referencing him when talking about owing someone a debt after breaking Wanda out of her house arrest.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#137483: Nov 27th 2021 at 6:49:22 AM

I definatly want a soap opera-y feel mini series for each of the avengers rosters that's just really examining the interpersonal relationships of these characters.

Trouble with prequals is you struggle to introduce supervillains, but I wouldn't mind that if the primary focus was the cast of protagonists.

Maaaaybe you could additional appearances from established not-dead supervillains. Abomination, Justin Hammer, Batroc, Crossbones prior to his death would be the easiest, The Leader and Zola maybe. You could probably even get some extra Ultron content if you're willing to establish that Vision didn't kill him.

Eh I'm theory crafting about hypothetical projects that are never goig to happen.

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#137484: Nov 27th 2021 at 6:53:38 AM

I like to think that T-Challa was part of Tony Stark's Avengers after Wakanda came out to the world in Black Panther.

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#137485: Nov 27th 2021 at 7:22:00 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137486: Nov 27th 2021 at 7:30:00 AM

[up][up][up] To be honest, I always kept imagining another universe where Joss Whedon ended up directing an Avengers TV show with all six original cast members rather than making two movies. I always felt like the first movie and Age of Ultron felt like TV adaptations compressed into movies instead, and it would just be interesting to see how it would work out.

Maybe some of the theorycrafting ideas you came up with would've had a chance to thrive in something like that.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137487: Nov 27th 2021 at 8:44:58 AM

[up][up] On that note I wonder whose gonna be the main antagonist for Marvels.

Especially to go against the rather powerful Carol and Monica.

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#137488: Nov 27th 2021 at 8:49:28 AM

Each other,maybe.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#137489: Nov 27th 2021 at 8:52:19 AM

Even if T'challa was a member of the mighty Avengers he was likely only a reserve member given that hes busy being king. He definatly didn't live in Avengers compound. His occasional presence would make the Mighty Avengers looks more like a team than just Tony's supporting cast.

I might draft an outline of a fan fic just to fill in the gaps of avenger times.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137490: Nov 27th 2021 at 8:38:37 PM

I'm curious as to how T'Challa would've interacted with other heroes in a casual setting. We already know he's friendly with Steve and Bucky, was briefly antagonistic to Natasha and somewhat aloof with Tony.

I'd at least like to imagine that he'd be wary of Scott after he nearly kicked him as Giant-Man.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#137491: Nov 27th 2021 at 8:40:51 PM

T'Challa lives in a nation where you can become king by killing the current claimant in ritual combat.

I'd think he'd be okay with Scott almost kicking him.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137492: Nov 27th 2021 at 8:49:04 PM

[up] Yes, but in fairness, T'Challa probably hasn't ever encountered an opponent of Scott's size before...

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#137493: Nov 27th 2021 at 8:53:08 PM

I imagine it's more the killing intent than the size he's concerned about, but if you insist...

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#137494: Nov 27th 2021 at 10:45:17 PM

So I started with "why didn't Fury call Captain Marvel?"

But now it's "why didn't the Eternals stop Thanos?"

     

Which actually got answered in the movie, but whether I accept that answer or not is another matter.

And how does the rest of the universe feel now that The Eternals are just "watching us grow like little baby chicks they pushed along."

Do Stark and Shuri's accomplishments matter less now that Phastos was just god of tech giving mankind hints the whole time?

Could you imagine if Icarus actually went to Avengers HQ to throw his weight around?

How did The Avengers not detect anything The Eternals were doing in the past decade or more. Were they really that low-profile? Not Christopher-Mintz Plasse's character seemed to be running a cult. Actor dude was hiding his immortality by being his own descendants and starring in movies.

Did nobody know or care about the actual Ten Rings.

Edited by FOFD on Nov 27th 2021 at 1:45:50 PM

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#137495: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:17:28 AM

Speaking of the Ten Rings, Xiran’s video a few pages ago pointed out that for a guy who allegedly had nothing left to conquer, Wenwu either was really not attentive to threats to China or was aiding the invaders. So another to the “why didn’t they do anything” pile. tongue

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#137496: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:32:36 AM

I took it as, by that point, he was running everything from the shadows, not really caring about fights between the countries he's secretly controlling as long as it doesn't threaten him. You don't intervene when ants are fighting in your yard, after all. Being immortal would naturally lead him to not care much about people in general, knowing they're going to die in a relatively short time regardless.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#137497: Nov 28th 2021 at 1:33:51 AM

[up][up][up] It's answered in the movie.

The Eternals were doing literally nothing for centuries until the Deviants trapped in that glacier thawed like a week ago.

Also, why would Shuri or Stark (who can't even what with having a terminal case of deceased) care about them nudging humanity in the distant past?

Their accomplishments today are their own.

Edited by MrSeyker on Nov 28th 2021 at 1:35:45 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137498: Nov 28th 2021 at 11:00:57 AM

For the most part, I do agree that what the Eternals did to help humanity is mostly unconnected to the main MCU events as a whole.

But I am curious about how much Phastos was involved with World War II outside of the creation of the atomic bomb. Considering that World War II is a very big event for the MCU at large, it's kind of curious how an Eternal shaped at least some parts of the war while Steve and the Howling Commandos were busy fighting HYDRA in Europe.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137499: Nov 28th 2021 at 11:08:36 AM

I'm pretty sure the moment Shuri and Tony gain access to cosmic energy they would quickly catch up to Phastos' inventions.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 28th 2021 at 11:08:54 AM

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#137500: Nov 28th 2021 at 11:25:38 AM

[up][up] Phastos evidentially was involved in the development of nuclear physics but it didn't seem like he was involved with the Manhattan Project considering that the project was intended to build a weapon that could destroy the Axis Powers in a single strike. Phastos would know about the dangers of radiation and its destructive capacity long before any of the scientists would.

I think he was caught off-guard by the rise of the Nazis in what is supposed to be the central nation for culture and science.


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