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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#137326: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:36:12 PM

This is the perfect time for McDonalds to revive their old ad campaign.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 21st 2021 at 7:36:37 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137330: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:44:14 PM

The alt-right will co-opt just about anything.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137331: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:45:33 PM

Damn. RIP Moon-Man.

It ain't you're fault you got dragged over to the wrong crowd.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#137332: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:45:58 PM

Tyrannical systems often do pervert and twist symbols to benefit them.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137333: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:47:00 PM

That just changes things to: Moon Knight vs Moon Man. The battle for the moon.

Incidentally, early Moon Knight did have an arc where he fights a cop-turned-supervillain called Xenos, who's a virulently racist and xenophobic Hitler-worshipper (MK literally finds a Hitler biography talking about how the holocaust is a hoax in his lair and goes "Oh that explains a lot") with rat motifs who seeks to drive the "foreign devils" out of the US. That character aged like fine wine.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#137334: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:48:09 PM

I should point out the ACLU notes that Mac Tonight himself isn't a problem, just when paired with alt-right imagery.

But damn, it's really hard to separate the character from what the internet's turned him into.sad

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#137335: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:59:28 PM

I want to complain about reading comments on people hoping MJ gets Gwen Stacy'd so they can replace her with a proper MJ

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137336: Nov 21st 2021 at 8:01:00 PM

Dare I ask what is a "proper" MJ to these people?

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#137337: Nov 21st 2021 at 8:04:38 PM

White redhead. That's all they really care about.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#137338: Nov 21st 2021 at 8:06:58 PM

I want so badly for Erin Kellyman to play a racebent redhead so we can see people admit in real time that it's not the Adaptational Dye-Job people are mad about. (She did in Les Misérables (2018) but colorblind period dramas don't grind people's gears quite as much anymore.)

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137339: Nov 21st 2021 at 8:07:39 PM

Somehow I'm not surprised they want to fridge the MJ portrayed by a mixed race actress to have her replaced with a white woman.

Lemme guess, they're also trying to justify this by making accusations of redhead erasure or something?

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#137340: Nov 21st 2021 at 8:11:37 PM

They say the Marvel MJ is a bore of a character with a flat personality.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#137341: Nov 21st 2021 at 8:55:16 PM

[up]Good to know they have bad taste. My sister seems to like her enough.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137342: Nov 21st 2021 at 9:03:16 PM

At most she’s a troll so she can admitably be a jerk but I would never say she’s boring.

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#137343: Nov 21st 2021 at 9:23:54 PM

I enjoy her Deadpan Snarker personality. But not everyone can have the same great taste in characters as I do. tongue[lol]

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#137344: Nov 21st 2021 at 10:27:17 PM

I will say I wouldn't of minded if they gave her red hair. But they could still keep Zendaya as the character. Dying hair is a thing. But fundamentally that's an extremely minor gripe on my part.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137345: Nov 21st 2021 at 10:30:13 PM

Yeah the lack of red year is my biggest peeve with her.

I mean its Mary Jane, she always has to have red hair.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#137346: Nov 21st 2021 at 10:31:05 PM

Why do we care what some assholes on the Internet think again?

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#137347: Nov 21st 2021 at 11:11:12 PM

I do feel it's kind of pointless to have her be MJ instead of just being a new character... like, other than being Peter's love interest, she has practically nothing in common. I'm not disliking the movies for it, but it does feel kind of dumb to have a character In Name Only like that.

Edited by FGHIK on Nov 21st 2021 at 1:12:03 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137348: Nov 21st 2021 at 11:18:30 PM

I find that she does share comic MJ's use of a facade to cover her real feelings.

Comic MJ pretended to be a vapid party girl, MCU MJ pretends to be an above it all troll

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#137349: Nov 22nd 2021 at 2:48:53 AM

I like the character as a character but the whole "MJ" thing seems like an attempted meta joke that wore out. The love interest is NOT Mary Jane Watson... But she IS MJ! How witty! How droll!

Except its not really. Like I say, I actually like the idea of the character and having her be the one who can troll Spidey/Petey himself but there's no reason for her to be called MJ except that a completely different and unrelated character from the comics is called that.

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#137350: Nov 22nd 2021 at 4:13:20 AM

She also has MJ's observational and investigative skills. I really appreciated Far From Home's adaptation of that scene from the comics where MJ reveals to Peter that he's Spider-Man and she fucking knows it.

As well as MJ's willingness to pick up a blunt object and involve herself. Zendaya's MJ is the first adaptational version of the character I've ever seen in which I can actually believe that she would bludgeon the Chameleon with a baseball bat.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 22nd 2021 at 4:14:08 AM

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