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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#137301: Nov 21st 2021 at 1:11:33 PM

"Random bullshit go" was also a thing that Moon Knight actually did in the comics at one point. That pic isn't an edit. At one point one of Moon Knight's tactics was to literally grab as much as he could from his pockets and chuck them all at once.

Surprisingly effective too, especially in 1v1s. He fought Black Knight once and Black Knight blocked all the random bullshit except for bola that got his legs.

Edited by Watchtower on Nov 21st 2021 at 4:11:48 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#137302: Nov 21st 2021 at 1:19:05 PM

The dialogue is edited. He didn't actually say that.

But he should.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137303: Nov 21st 2021 at 1:21:42 PM

[up][up] I love how absolutely dirty a fighter Moony is.

They better keep that for the show.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 21st 2021 at 1:21:55 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#137304: Nov 21st 2021 at 1:42:21 PM

He's a competent fighter but most of his practical experience was as a mercenary in literal war zones. He's got absolutely no compunction to fight "fair."

I think that the TV series needs to be looking at replicating the Daredevil kind of approach where it was made clear that Matt was a very skilled fighter and very tough but the perpetual violence had consequences even for the winners.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137305: Nov 21st 2021 at 1:54:06 PM

The surefire way to tell it's edited is when there's uncensored cursing rather than the classic $#

Ironically, the dialogue in the "Semper Fi, Bitch" panel is only slightly less comical (the hitman's name is Ice).

Edited by Gaon on Nov 21st 2021 at 2:13:25 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137306: Nov 21st 2021 at 1:54:52 PM

Oh that’s a Hell of a pun alright.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#137308: Nov 21st 2021 at 1:57:52 PM

Moon Knight needs to be in a movie with Deadpool,they sound very similar..

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#137309: Nov 21st 2021 at 1:59:49 PM

So, I'm gathering that Meme Knight IS an exaggeration of his actual character, but only JUST BARELY.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#137310: Nov 21st 2021 at 2:08:18 PM

I thought I was clear I was talking about the image and not the dialogue, suddenly realizing I should not have assumed that was obvious. Whoops. [lol]

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137311: Nov 21st 2021 at 2:11:32 PM

From the looks of it the main difference between DP and Moony is that DP is insane in a looney large ham way while Moony is insane in more lucid cold ham way.

Als here's an interaction between him and Punisher.

"''He's good. How's your dead family?''"

Wow Marc is like the only person to openly mock Frank's family and get away with it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137312: Nov 21st 2021 at 2:13:08 PM

The memes are just more vulgar and nonsensical, but Moon Knight having a tenuous grasp on reality has been a thing since pretty early in his story.

In his very first issues he's more of a The Shadow/Batman type where his multiple identities are just aliases and the whole "resurrected by a moon god" is more of a poetic affection. But as the 80's tick on and Bill Sienkenwicz joins the run the idea he has legitimate trouble discerning one identity from the next and seems to be legitimately powered by Khonshu (either supernaturally or in a Your Mind Makes It Real psychology sense) becomes a predominant character concept and it made him all the better for it.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#137313: Nov 21st 2021 at 2:15:45 PM

Without knowing what Moon Knight looks like I'm picturing a guy running around in a full moon costume

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137314: Nov 21st 2021 at 2:35:34 PM

Interesting to note that the most acclaimed MK stories of the last decade are the ones that focus on cerebral and atmospheric stories like the 2014, 2016, and the current 2021 series.

Meanwhile the maligned stories is the ones that go for a more generic superhero bombastic story like the 2017 run and the Age of Khonshu story from the current Avengers run.

An interesting critique of Age of Khonshu I once heard is that it has a more "atheist" take on Moon Knight which certainly sounds something.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#137315: Nov 21st 2021 at 4:46:15 PM

I mean, the Bemis run does try to be "deep", it's just really bad at it.

On the other hand, Vengeance of the Moon Knight is the most "traditional superhero" run and it's a lot of fun. It creates conflict between Marc wanting to genuinely be a better hero and Khonshu demanding vengeance. It features one of my favorites MK moments with his interaction with Spider-Man. And Moon Knight fighting in his Captain America undies.

Edited by Akirakan on Nov 21st 2021 at 7:47:31 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137316: Nov 21st 2021 at 6:04:35 PM

While some people might find it silly, I still have a soft spot for the time Moon Knight curbstomped Thor.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137317: Nov 21st 2021 at 6:09:57 PM

There’s no problem that can’t be solved by the application of yet more moons

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137318: Nov 21st 2021 at 6:16:37 PM

You jest but that's what Moon Knight more or less did. He threw a chunk of moon rock at Thor to beat him. Granted, said chunk of moon rock was Mjolnir (Uru is apparently originally an ore from the first moon in existence).

Disgusted, but not surprised
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137319: Nov 21st 2021 at 6:19:25 PM

I don’t jest

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137320: Nov 21st 2021 at 6:22:18 PM

I wonder who Moon Knight would end up encountering in the MCU, assuming that this isn't a one-time deal for Oscar Isaac. Him meeting Thor and Black Knight could happen. So could him and Doctor Strange.

Though seeing as Moon Knight is a mercenary who seems to do his own thing most of the time, what kind of threats would cause him to have to team up with other heroes?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#137321: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:06:04 PM

The kind of villain that would make getting money kinda useless if they succeed, as in the Omnicidal Maniac types.

The legend has returned.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137322: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:16:32 PM

Moon Knight actually isn't a mercenary. Marc Spector was a mercenary.

There's even an argument to be made that the "Moon Knight" persona is in large part Marc outright rejecting his identity as a ruthless amoral profit-driven mercenary while still engaging in a lifestyle that allows him to be violent.

Edited by M84 on Nov 21st 2021 at 11:18:05 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137323: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:26:20 PM

It's usually just some criminal conspiracy that crosses over to the both of them as Moon Knight just fights crime like every other urban hero. When that fails, the trick tends to be some sort of religious, moon-based shenanigans that makes Khonshu throw MK directly into things.

Moon Knight is the kind of hero who can in fact just show up and go "I'm here because the moon told me to be here. 'Sup."

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137324: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:29:35 PM

And Depending on the Writer, the moon may have actually done so.

Granted, Moon Knight should also demonstrate that just because one is actually the herald of an ancient moon deity doesn't mean that one isn't also suffering from mental sickness. It's not an "either-or" situation in Moon Knight's case.

Edited by M84 on Nov 21st 2021 at 11:32:04 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137325: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:33:22 PM

It would be funny to me if at one point in the show, Marc has a radio alarm awaken him with "That's Amore" by Dean Martin, and he smashes the clock in frustration.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."

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