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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#137276: Nov 20th 2021 at 5:47:15 PM

What's going on here?

Edit: Page topper... so uh, how 'bout that Spider-Man: No Way Home, huh?

Edited by FGHIK on Nov 20th 2021 at 7:48:12 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#137277: Nov 20th 2021 at 5:54:18 PM

BELIEVE IN:

SPACE, TIME,

REALITY,

SOUL, MIND,

AND POWER!

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#137278: Nov 20th 2021 at 6:27:58 PM

I think most likely Johansson will be appearing in Secret Invasion as a Skrull.

Honestly, Secret Invasion seemed to me like an odd choice for phase 4, but I like the idea of not treating the Skrulls as a monolith.

And it'll probably give Marvel a few chances to throw in cameos just to have the characters in question turn out to be Skrulls. I'm hoping we get a kind of Paibok character out of it, too.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#137279: Nov 20th 2021 at 6:35:23 PM

We'll finally get Mephisto, but it turns out he's actually just a Skrull.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137280: Nov 20th 2021 at 9:33:34 PM

This is pretty unrelated but Netflix is releasing in a couple days a superhero anime by Studio Bones based on a Mark Millar comic titled Super Crooks.

Makes me wonder what a Marvel show animated like this could be like.

And yes I know there were already 2 Marvel animes previously, Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers & Marvel Future Avengers. Those are more like the Ultimate Alliance of TV shows, just big crossover affairs to bring in as many character's as possible but without being about anything specifically in a pretty general glossy art-design.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hawkeye86 Spirit of Battle from Classified (Searching for Spock) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Spirit of Battle
#137281: Nov 20th 2021 at 9:36:32 PM

I feel like them saying the project is unrelated to Natasha means in any way shape or form. No prequel, or flashback, Skrull, or anything like that.

You and I remember Budapest very differently
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137282: Nov 20th 2021 at 9:47:58 PM

Not just those. There was the Iron Man, Wolverine, Blade and X-Men animes.

There was also Iron Man: Rise of Technovore, and the Black Widow and Punisher Movie as well.

So Marvel knows the appeal of mixing their stuff with anime.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137283: Nov 20th 2021 at 9:49:09 PM

Right those ones.

Hell of a thing to remember once happened.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 20th 2021 at 9:53:32 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137284: Nov 20th 2021 at 9:49:36 PM

You've reminded me of the Punisher and Black Widow movie so now I must defeat you.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137285: Nov 20th 2021 at 10:12:24 PM

Was it that bad?

The only anime I saw was the X-Men one years ago and thats primarily because I heard it had the best representation of Cyclops in........ well pretty much any X-Men media.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 20th 2021 at 10:14:00 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#137286: Nov 20th 2021 at 10:23:55 PM

The portrayal of Wolverine between the Wolverine anime and the X-Men anime is hilarious. Here's what he looks like in Wolverine:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/wolverine_anime_picture.jpg

And here's what he looks like in X-Men:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/final_color_art_for_wolverine_from_the_x_men_anime_series.jpeg

The best part is that these are the SAME Wolverine! The four shows were in continuity with each other, this is supposed to be the same incarnation of the character! The characters make references to the events that happened in the other shows!

By the way, when Wolverine made cameos in the Iron Man and Blade animes, he had his Wolverine design.

The shows are fantastic, though, don't take this as a criticism of their quality.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 20th 2021 at 11:26:20 AM

magnumtropus Since: Aug, 2020
#137287: Nov 21st 2021 at 12:21:14 AM

With regards to No Way Home, I have noticed a lot of "Angry Kevin Feige" memes. Has he ever acknowledged them?

[down]It started with the No Way Home trailer leak, and whenever there is a chance of Tom Holland or someone else potentially spoiling elements of the movie, there is this joke that Kevin Feige is off screen pointing a gun at them, threatening them to not reveal anything

Edited by magnumtropus on Nov 21st 2021 at 6:18:34 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#137288: Nov 21st 2021 at 6:02:21 AM

What exactly inspired the memes?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#137289: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:08:21 AM

[up]Nope. tongue

FIND A WAY!

Damn it! sad

What's going on here?

Someone thought of a gag where the Infinity Stones were sentient and we tried to refit the theme song of Steven Universe to reflect them. I played along, but I goofed a verse like a clod. tongue

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137290: Nov 21st 2021 at 8:33:31 AM

I definitely am curious to see what Feige thinks of those memes, as well as the memes that have spawned from the MCU as a whole.

Minus the photoshopped sniper rifle image, I'd like to think Feige has a relationship with them that's comparable to Reggie Fils-Aime's thoughts on them. They can't exactly be planned or forcibly made, but they create a great relationship with the creator and the audience.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 21st 2021 at 8:33:45 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#137291: Nov 21st 2021 at 8:53:16 AM

As someone who thinks the whole "aw Tom Holland can't keep a secret Uw U" is a narrative at least partially boosted by Marvel, I'd bet it's a No Such Thing as Bad Publicity ("bad" in this case isn't even in the malicious way, just the affectionate way) thing. Ultimately it's all business and you don't get to be the world's most profitable film franchise by caring about a few memes.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#137292: Nov 21st 2021 at 9:17:28 AM

I mean you'd think he'd have blabbed the team-up by now.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#137293: Nov 21st 2021 at 9:18:10 AM

Hey, anyone remember how Feige made a memorable face when Amy Pascal insisted that Venom was set in the MCU?

He made a similar one when Hailee Steinfeld brought up the Young Avengers recently in an event for Hawkeye. I mean, we all know it's coming, Kevin. No need to panic. [lol]

RE: Moon Knight: I know the MK teaser is behind us by now, but I'm surprised by Oscar Isaac's choice in accent for Marc Spector. Sounds like, what, British? Always thought Marc was American.

Plus, a few pages back, M84 mentioned the irony of Marc following an Egyptian god and it took me way longer than it really should have to realize why that's ironic.

"When it came down to it, I was the weak one. I sold out everything I been raised to believe in to save my own neck. To further indulge my addiction to violence. My FATHER'S God took us out of Egypt, My NEW God had kept us there."

"Of course there's being raised Jewish, and then there's being raised by a Rabbi. My father was the kindest gentlest man I've ever known. But there was never anything kind or gentle in me. He was a man of peace, he hated violence. And I thought that made him weak. A weak man serving an indifferent God. Because those were our stories weren't they? We lost our homes, our land. We were enslaved and escaped into the desert. And from then up till now, we took our licks from practically everyone. My father taught me that it was out perseverance that was our greatest quality as a people. How we never gave up faith in our laws. Our covenant with God. How we could laugh to keep from crying no matter what happened to us. So when I died in Selima, can you blame me for accepting Khonshu's offer? I put aside a God who had let terrible things happen to his people, a God who I never heard, in favor of a God who spoke right to me and promised "Join me, be my son. And together we will get things done."

Absolutely bone-chilling. surprised

RE: Moon Knight memes: Again, very late response, but I would pay great money to hear Oscar Isaac read Moon Knight memes as MK.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 21st 2021 at 12:19:07 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137294: Nov 21st 2021 at 9:20:16 AM

Hell, there's been a few times where Marvel has made a few online jokes an Ascended Meme. Rocket asking for Bucky's arm and uploading that hour-long Zemo dance on YouTube are two things that I can remember off the top of my head.

[up] If there's any meme from Moon Knight I want to see in the show, it absolutely has to be "RANDOM BULLSHIT GO!"

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 21st 2021 at 9:21:49 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137295: Nov 21st 2021 at 9:25:13 AM

[up][up] I think my favorite line there is "My FATHER'S God took us out of Egypt, My NEW God had kept us there."

Like wow the massive symbolism there. Especially in Biblical myth where God helped led the Jewish people out of Egypt and did so through the plagues which were created in their specific ways to make a mockery of the Egyptian Gods.

Marc really did commit the ultimate betrayal. He turned his back on God to serve under the God of the society that once enslaved his people. Darkly ironic.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#137296: Nov 21st 2021 at 12:30:18 PM

Though how religions would inevitably change in the Marvel Universe when gods of various pantheons are proven to exist and regularly interact with the public ... probably something it's best not to think too hard about.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#137297: Nov 21st 2021 at 12:33:59 PM

"RANDOM BULLSHIT, GO!!" is the only one I think they could maybe work in without it feeling shoehorned (and it is my favorite) but yeah, probably not happening and probably for the best it doesn't.

I would still pay to hear Oscar Isaac voice it though.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#137298: Nov 21st 2021 at 12:34:04 PM

In Marvel and DC, all religions and mythologies are real simultaneously, even when they contradict each other. The various pantheons tend get in fights over who actually started the universe.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137299: Nov 21st 2021 at 12:36:35 PM

Even then there is still a bit of a distinction between a God and the capital G God.

Its kinda like there is a shit-ton of demons but they are all scared shitless of the arrival of the great Satan himself.

Beta Ray Bill has some interesting thoughts on the concept of worship and faith in the daily life of having a God as an oath-brother.

"The Anti-Nihilist: Beta-Ray Bill, despite calling Thor "oath-brother" and meeting the Norse pantheon, does not believe in God in the traditional theological sense and finds worshiping any so-called gods 'obscene.' As he puts it: "If there is nothing but what we make in this world, brothers... let us make good.""

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#137300: Nov 21st 2021 at 1:06:22 PM

Aka the Weatherwax (or it might be Ogg) position: 100% aware that gods do exist but seeing no reason that means you have to worship them.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

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