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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137226: Nov 18th 2021 at 3:42:30 AM

Huh that mention about differently-colored Batman does remind that Moon Knight has made 2 animated appearances in Ultimate Spider-Man and the 2017 Spider-Man show, and both portray him as as essentially a more unstable violent Batman.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137227: Nov 18th 2021 at 3:57:02 AM

As I said it's an easy trap to fall into if you scrub away MK's own indiosicracies. The main one is the recurring themes of the blurred line between the insane and the sacred.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137228: Nov 18th 2021 at 4:19:30 AM

The Ultimate Spider-Man comic also did it.

Completely scrubbed away all reference to Konshu so MK was basically a hyper-violent Batman. Though he did maintain his DID in his obsession with having multiple personas like his Ronin identity who is a Kingpin agent who once tried to seriously kill the heroes.

The funny thing is I recall it being mentioned here a while ago that Ultimate Thor's is he crazy or is he really God schtick would have fit MK far better as its easier to cast ambiguity unto whether MK is haunted by an Egyptian God compared to the Ultimates trying to justify Thor's clearly Godlike powers as scientific in origin.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 18th 2021 at 4:22:14 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#137229: Nov 18th 2021 at 9:36:24 AM

In an interview with Jimmy Kimmel, Keaton claims he's shooting some Vulture scenes for a mystery Marvel project.


Vincent D'Onofrio's Twitter is showing some light support for Hawkeye.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137230: Nov 18th 2021 at 9:52:49 AM

[up] Like I said before: either this is D'Onofrio teasing us, or he just legitimately wants to support Hawkeye. Though the fact that he's so open about this particular series after mostly ignoring the other projects makes me...curious.

As for Vulture, willing to be that he's talking about Morbius. Since we've seen Keaton in the trailers for that movie.

Y'know, that does make me wonder: what does Adrian Toomes think of Peter's identity getting out?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 18th 2021 at 9:53:24 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#137231: Nov 18th 2021 at 10:00:50 AM

Speaking of Moon Knight's rather lackluster rogue's gallery, he has a perfect built in 'enemies to friends' character in Werewolf by Night, but I highly doubt we'll see him in the upcoming show.

However, I think it is confirmed that we'll get Midnight Man (a costumed thief who goes crazy after he is disfigured following a fight against Marc) as played by Gaspard Ulliel.

He'll probably work best as a starter villain for Marc once he gets back from Egypt.

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Funny but not helpful
#137232: Nov 18th 2021 at 10:04:34 AM

It’s funny that Moon Knight was originally introduced as a Werewolf by Night villain but far eclipsed him in popularity

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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Disasturbator
#137234: Nov 18th 2021 at 1:44:46 PM

Related but whenever the subject is the moon this advert plays in my head,mmmmm jaffcakes

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137235: Nov 18th 2021 at 2:21:19 PM

Ya know the second Black Spector works pretty well as a sort of seasonal build-up foe.

Basically this beat cop who desperately wants to be someone and so he wants to be Moon Knight so he spends all his time stalking him and studying him, desiring to imitate him at every turn to the point of murdering his girlfriend so he'd have no attachments. It would all coalesce to a climax where he attacks Moon Knight out of the air until MK swiftly defeats him and tells him just what exactly being Moon Knight is.

And he wasn't even a major arc villain, just a monster of week who hasn't been since that one encounter. He was more a denouement of the life of Moon Knight. Works pretty well for an episodic series.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137236: Nov 18th 2021 at 2:28:30 PM

As for MK villains, Bushman is inevitably showing up in some capacity as he's by far the closest to an arch-enemy the character has (and he has the elemental aspect of being involved with MK's own origin). They might conflate him with somebody else though given he's a psychotic Scary Black Man named Bushman.

Ethan Hawke is in all likelihood playing the main villain. He claimed in an interview that his character is based on cult leader David Koresh who was a complete lunatic so I'm guessing that's a villain. I would guess Sun King, since that's the most prominent cult leader in MK's rogues gallery (and also has the scraggly, long hair look Hawke is sporting and says is based on David Koresh).

The other announced member of the cast is Palestinian-Egyptian actress May Calamawy who could hypothetically be playing Stained Glass Scarlet (who was rumoured to be the villain early on) but I get the sense (eyeballing on her nationality) that she is in fact playing Khonshu.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#137237: Nov 18th 2021 at 2:39:44 PM

I figured it was more likely she was playing Marlene, though either of those roles would make sense.

If they really wanted to go for a twist, they would conflate Frenchie and Bushman, but I don't really see that happening.

Edited by ArthurEld on Nov 18th 2021 at 2:39:52 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137238: Nov 18th 2021 at 2:47:39 PM

Could always be a dual role. Who says Oscar Isaac has to have all the fun?

I figured Khonshu because getting a non-egyptian actor to play a egyptian god feels like such a obvious mistake that I don't think the MCU would make that kind of catastrophic misstep after being burned in the Mandarin and Ancient One debacles. It's an Egyptian deity (a real one), so for God's sake just get an egyptian actor.

Of course, we don't know anybody else of the cast so there could always be another one.

Edited by Gaon on Nov 18th 2021 at 2:52:33 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#137239: Nov 18th 2021 at 11:10:31 PM

That depends whether Khonsu is meant to appear in the flesh, or if either A Form You Are Comfortable With or Demonic Possession are in play.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#137240: Nov 18th 2021 at 11:41:36 PM

The bird skull is such a strong image. I cant see them not employing that at least once.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#137241: Nov 19th 2021 at 8:27:10 AM

Production on Black Panther 2 has officially been put on hold until January 2022.

Apparently Wright's dealing with a shoulder fracture and a concussion.

Oh my god, why is this movie so cursed? sad

Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
_(o)_
#137242: Nov 19th 2021 at 8:39:25 AM

[up] It's almost comical how much bad luck this production has.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137243: Nov 19th 2021 at 8:40:23 AM

I'm expecting a plague of locusts to swarm the production set at this rate.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137244: Nov 19th 2021 at 9:08:57 AM

At this point I am close to just regarding the film as a write-off.

It’s off the list of things to look forward to.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 19th 2021 at 9:09:13 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#137245: Nov 19th 2021 at 9:36:16 AM

Mephisto is angry he got snubbed. tongue

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137246: Nov 19th 2021 at 12:56:36 PM

At this rate, I really do wonder if this movie is cursed...

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#137247: Nov 20th 2021 at 7:40:03 AM

So, just wondering since I saw Spider-Man 3 recently, in a hypothetical scenario where the three main villains of that movie (Harry, Sandman, and Venom) had their own movie each to fight against Peter, what order would you go with?

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#137248: Nov 20th 2021 at 10:14:33 AM

Marvel Head Kevin Feige Says Scarlett Johansson Is Working on a Top Secret Marvel Project.

According to Deadline, Feige said that he was working with Scarlett Johansson on a TOP SECRET Marvel project that is unrelated to her Black Widow character, Natasha Romanoff.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#137249: Nov 20th 2021 at 11:27:08 AM

My first thought was that she would be directing but looking at her IMDB, she doesn't have very much experience in any role outside acting, so maybe she'll be playing a different character?

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 20th 2021 at 12:27:24 PM

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#137250: Nov 20th 2021 at 11:31:48 AM

My guess is "producing gig for an as-yet-unannounced character/project".


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