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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#137177: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:07:26 PM

[up][up] This is the same universe with a man named Dr. Strange and Peter Parker, but Otto Octavious is the weird name??????

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#137178: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:08:14 PM

It's a callback to when Peter made the same joke in Infinity War.

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#137179: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:09:52 PM

Yeah, why are you making fun of someone for their stupid name, Ned Leeds.

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#137180: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:10:13 PM

Also that time J Jonah Jameson snarked about Otto's name.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#137181: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:11:17 PM

Venom will likely not be in the movie, since every indication is that Feige doesn't want to acknowledge Sony's universe.

They had to sign off on the stinger at the end of the last Venom movie, though, didn't they?

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Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#137182: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:13:21 PM

This is the same universe with a man named Dr. Strange and Peter Parker, but Otto Octavious is the weird name

Peter's reaction to Dr. Strange was "ah, right, our made-up, fake names".

And what's weird about Peter Parker?

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#137183: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:15:15 PM

It’s alliterative but otherwise pretty normal

Ned Leeds is pretty suspect in his original context as a journalist guy. Following leads. Maybe burying the lede. But as a Ganke guy Ned Leeds is an okay name.

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#137184: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:17:14 PM

[up][up][up] Pretty sure part of the renegotiations is that Sony can reference and use Tom, which is probably the only reason they agreed to cooperate again, but that anything that happens in a Sony Universe movie Feige is under no obligation to directly reference in the main series.

There's also the black suit some people have pointed to as evidence of Venom, but the merchandising has made it clear that the black suit is magically enhanced by Strange and isn't a symbiote. And besides, the Carnage stinger had Venom just suddenly hating Spider-Man for no reason, I don't think he'd want to help him even if he did show up.

Edited by lbssb on Nov 16th 2021 at 6:21:28 AM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#137185: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:21:38 PM

Pretty sure part of the renegotiations is that Sony can reference and use Tom, which is probably the only reason they agreed to cooperate again, but that anything that happens in a Sony Universe movie Feige is under no obligation to directly reference in the main series.

Then why show Venom warping into the MCU world and focus on him getting interested in hunting after Peter Parker? Why highlight that if he's going to show up here?

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#137186: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:24:09 PM

Because they can :P

We're basically in the part of comics writing now where writers can do stuff and then say "that's the next person's problem" eg. Ego being a Celestial maybe?

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#137187: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:27:25 PM

In all likelihood that stinger will only be relevant to Venom 3, probably featuring a Broad Strokes version of Tom's Peter. I doubt Feige would just give Sony his plans for the future of the MCU for them to work around.

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#137188: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:34:38 PM

Watching The Eternals right now. The actress playing Circe is hot. I'm also certain the one playijg Atax (?) also played Yoyo from Agents of SHIELD.

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#137189: Nov 16th 2021 at 6:38:25 PM

Yo-Yo was Natalia Cordova-Buckley, Ajak is played by Salma Hayek.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#137190: Nov 16th 2021 at 7:14:22 PM

Then I stand corrected.

Druig reminds me of Chris-Mintz Plasse but I'm sure it's not him.

The one playing speedster lady is definitely Connie from The Walking Dead Season 9.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#137192: Nov 17th 2021 at 8:36:01 AM

The trailer looks like he'll be busy trying to keep their 'verse from collapsing, so he dispatches Peter to take care of them.

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#137193: Nov 17th 2021 at 11:09:27 AM

Unrelated to the Spider-Man discussion right now, but I can't help but notice this wink and nod from Vincent D'Onofrio.

Yeah, it could just be him showing support for the show, but it's still interesting given all the speculation around Kingpin.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 17th 2021 at 11:11:04 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
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The Head of the Hydra
#137194: Nov 17th 2021 at 6:04:28 PM

Ya know one thing to be excited for Moon Knight is the potential exploration of faith in regards to Marc being Jewish but casting off the faith he grew up in to be the agent of an ancient Egyptian deity.

Like this line from the current MK run.

"When it came down to it, I was the weak one. I sold out everything I been raised to believe in to save my own neck. To further indulge my addiction to violence. My FATHER'S God took us out of Egypt, My NEW God had kept us there."

Compelling stuff.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#137195: Nov 17th 2021 at 6:49:47 PM

A faithful adaptation of Moon Knight ought to get a few things right:

a) Make it ambiguous (at first) whether or not Marc really is a champion of a Moon deity named Khonshu or whether he's just delusional. Then make it clear that it's not a case of "either-or".

b) The relationship between Khonshu and Marc should not be a healthy one.

c) Khonshu should be an asshole.

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#137196: Nov 17th 2021 at 6:51:14 PM

d) Moon Knight attacks with all sorts of random bullshit.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#137197: Nov 17th 2021 at 6:52:37 PM

Khonshu being real is a reveal that should probably come no later than the end of the second episode, at the latest.

Though I do hope they cut the whole "Khonshu has been watching Marc since before he went to Egypt" retcon.

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The Tapestry Weaver
#137198: Nov 17th 2021 at 6:56:47 PM

[up][up] Honest to God, I really hope that meme makes it into the show. The other Moon Knight memes don't seem likely, but I'm sure that one has a place somewhere.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137199: Nov 17th 2021 at 7:00:25 PM

The memes are pretty glorious.

"Honestly? At this point I don't even remember why Dracula owes me money. But a guys gotta live by a code, you know."

Luke Cage can certainly relate to that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#137200: Nov 17th 2021 at 7:04:07 PM

Ugh, please no.

Marvel's generic quippiness is bad enough, we don't need to start shoe-horning memes in. Especially ones that don't actually come from the comics.

Something like Marc getting all geared up in a Edgar Wright style sequence, looking like an absolute badass, only to immediate wobble and nearly collapse like in the Charlie Huston run, now that's the kind of humor that could fit with the show's tone.

At least Luke Cage's "where's my money, honey?" line is from the comics and worked in-context without being a winking at the audience moment.


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