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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#137076: Nov 15th 2021 at 5:34:30 AM

Comics Carnage would eventually take a similar route with a different superpowered dark god, but back then he was "just" a Serial Killer.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137077: Nov 15th 2021 at 5:38:25 AM

Wasn't he also a mad scientist in the sequel cartoon Spider-Man Unlimited?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#137078: Nov 15th 2021 at 5:54:30 AM

No, Carnage and Venom in that cartoon were the servants of an ancient Symbiote Hive Mind.

Again, comics Carnage would end up following a similar route since the aforementioned dark god was also the Symbiote god.

...Yeesh, were the writers behind that whole storyline fans of these cartoons?

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2021 at 9:55:02 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137079: Nov 15th 2021 at 5:55:45 AM

Huh if that ever gets a sequel then they can reveal that hive God to be Knull.

[up] Probably, a lot of writers most likely watched the cartoons at one point in their lives.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 15th 2021 at 5:56:21 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#137080: Nov 15th 2021 at 5:59:12 AM

Why not since we seem to be moving on to Nineties nostalgia after mining Eighties nostalgia for years.

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#137081: Nov 15th 2021 at 6:01:48 AM

Adaptations influence the comics heavily. Not only because of the comics changing to match the latest hit, but also because the new writers were kids too once upon a time.

Notably, Brian Michael Bendis depicted Carnage as being capable of sucking out people's life energy over a decade before this storyline existed.

And he did that twice. Once with Ultimate Carnage and once with the616 version. He was pretty convinced that draining life energy is a thing Carnage does.

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#137082: Nov 15th 2021 at 6:05:18 AM

The only thing Carnage drains from people is their blood.

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#137083: Nov 15th 2021 at 6:05:46 AM

Its easier to depict sucking out someone's life energy rather then having them murdered

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#137084: Nov 15th 2021 at 6:07:52 AM

Though in this case the comics which have no problem showing people getting murdered.

Amusingly Bendis killed off Carnage for a time by having Sentry literally tear him in half and leaving him for dead in the upper atmosphere.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 15th 2021 at 6:08:46 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#137085: Nov 15th 2021 at 6:08:15 AM

Being an animated kids show in the Nineties it had to make some sacrifices.

For one thing, if you just watched that show you'd have no idea that Venom ate brains and/or chocolate.

One thing the show did right over the comics was portray Electro as every bit as powerful as you'd expect someone who can manipulate electricity to the extent he can really is. While he's a loser in the comics he was a world threatening Physical God in the cartoon.

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2021 at 10:10:42 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#137086: Nov 15th 2021 at 6:09:01 AM

Venom eats what!?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137087: Nov 15th 2021 at 6:11:04 AM

Oh yeah, Venom loves his chocolate.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137088: Nov 15th 2021 at 6:12:53 AM

The Klyntar have a craving for a certain chemical that can only be found in brains and chocolate.

Amusingly in the comics while most Venom hosts avoided becoming a cannibal, Mac Gargan/Scorpion was not so fortunate, having embraced the hunger fully and becoming a full on people eater during his tenure as Venom in the Dark Avengers.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#137089: Nov 15th 2021 at 6:18:25 AM

That's down to Mac Gargan being a loser with not much in the way of self-control or a moral compass. So of course he'd completely embrace being a people eating monster.

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#137090: Nov 15th 2021 at 6:44:09 AM

Most Venoms tend to be collaborations between host and symbiote, but Gargan was basically unrestrained symbiote id with a dim-witted thug along for the ride.

Eddie Brock and Flash Thompson were partners to the symbiote, but Mac Gargan was really just a host.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 15th 2021 at 6:45:29 AM

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#137091: Nov 15th 2021 at 7:46:41 AM

I remember at the time that I already knew about Green Goblin killing Gwen Stacy, and the 90s show tried to adapt that story by having the Green Goblin throw Mary Jane into a portal (which comes from the same source as The Spot's power, IIRC).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#137092: Nov 15th 2021 at 7:52:34 AM

They got a bit clever with it, iirc. Goblin threw MJ into a portal, but Spidey didn't see the portal, so he assumes she drowned and/or was swept away by the Hudson.

Later, Goblin's Time Dilation Accelerator (portal gun) malfunctions, opening an unstable portal that goes nowhere which he gets knocked through, which is treated as equivalent to dying... before Spider-Man can get answers. As a result, Peter doesn't find out that MJ is still alive until - like - the very last scene of the show.

He does get to have a clone MJ for a while, but she dies right in front of him because Peter Parker's life has to suck.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 15th 2021 at 7:52:40 AM

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#137094: Nov 15th 2021 at 7:57:01 AM

<NVM>

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 15th 2021 at 7:57:23 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137095: Nov 15th 2021 at 7:57:16 AM

He does get to have a clone MJ for a while, but she dies right in front of him because Peter Parker's life has to suck.

Christopher Daniel Barnes really put 200% in this show.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137096: Nov 15th 2021 at 8:00:30 AM

Man that scream is bloodcurdling.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#137097: Nov 15th 2021 at 8:01:05 AM

Begun the clone wars saga has

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#137098: Nov 15th 2021 at 8:06:28 AM

If I remember correctly the second No Way Home trailer premiers tomorrow at some theater which means I will need to be careful of spoilers.

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#137099: Nov 15th 2021 at 8:21:10 AM

When that show’s Peter gets the chance to scream, it’s really damn effective.

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