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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137051: Nov 14th 2021 at 9:39:22 PM

I have the idea that they wanted to do a major X project and didn't want to wait for the MCU but they were unsure of what new thing to do so they just settled on reviving a past project.

And settled on the 90's show cause its the biggest X-property I guess.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#137052: Nov 14th 2021 at 9:43:02 PM

It is the last time an adaptation tried to be super accurate.

Later ones would take a lot more liberties.

Like, it's not only the only good adaptation of the Phoenix Saga, it's the only one that tries to really recreate the original story as much as possible.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137053: Nov 14th 2021 at 9:44:54 PM

Shame about Evolution that one was pretty good.

Wolverine and the X-Men though can go die in a wildfire. No more Wolverine shilling and all bullshit related to that.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#137054: Nov 14th 2021 at 9:44:59 PM

One of my favorite things about X-Men Animated (and Spider-Man Animated by extension, since they share an art style) is how everyone in those shows (except, like, Jubilee) were super jacked.

Even Dr. Octopus was build like a freakin' bodybuilder.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 14th 2021 at 9:45:17 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137055: Nov 14th 2021 at 9:55:21 PM

[up] Oh yeah everyone was built.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#137056: Nov 14th 2021 at 10:05:53 PM

I've never heard any specific clamoring for a revival for the 90s show but in my experience 90s X-Men fans never shut the hell up about how much they love 90s X-Men and constantly talk about X-Men things in the context of 90s X-Men.

So IMO as nostalgia bait it's a very wise choice. [lol]

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137057: Nov 14th 2021 at 10:10:46 PM

The X-Men didn't register with me as much, but Spider-Man's "everybody is ripped" artstyle was just very funny. One of the most comically absurd examples was Alistair Smythe, the show's resident paraplegic genius who acted as the gadgeteer for the Kingpin (and occasionally other villains). Later in the show the Kingpin subjects Alistair to a bath into a chemical substance that mutates him into the Ultimate Spider Slayer, so we get to see Alistair Smythe in his underwear.

Somehow, this scrawny nerd who's shown 24/7 in a hoverchair out and about in a lab, is built like a brick shithouse. Including his legs being toned like he's a olympic track runner (despite the fact he's, well, unable to walk).

Edited by Gaon on Nov 14th 2021 at 10:16:19 AM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#137058: Nov 14th 2021 at 10:11:33 PM

A lot of 90s kids think of the 90s X-Men cartoon and Marvel vs Capcom games as peak X-Men, and that era of X-Men as peak Marvel.

Personally, I think it's a bit close-minded and annoying.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 14th 2021 at 11:12:31 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#137059: Nov 14th 2021 at 10:13:42 PM

I still am speculating that part of the reason Marvel Zombies and 90s X-Men are getting spinoffs is because they somehow link with Multiverse of Madness.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137060: Nov 14th 2021 at 10:17:40 PM

I am of the belief that we should move forward and try new things. Which is a reason nostalgia annoys me cause its used as an excuse to back tread and do the same shit over and over again.

But hey at least we getting nostalgic over the 90s now. Prolly get sick of it soon too but at least its not the 80s, fuck the 80s.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 14th 2021 at 10:17:53 AM

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Hawkeye86 Spirit of Battle from Classified (Searching for Spock) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Spirit of Battle
#137061: Nov 14th 2021 at 10:17:45 PM

I wouldn't really hold my breath on them connecting to Mo M.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#137062: Nov 14th 2021 at 10:21:12 PM

It's really not that complex. Larry Houston met with Disney about two years ago, bringing up the idea of bringing the show back in some form. Then as production on What If? was wrapping up, Marvel was considering what to do next for their animated projects.

The X-Men animated series was something many people who pitched ideas at Marvel brought up as something that had influenced them in the past, so it probably seemed like a natural idea.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#137063: Nov 14th 2021 at 10:23:52 PM

I am looking forward to the revival, though I personally would have liked to see Evolution come back as that was my personal favorite X-Men cartoon. Still the 90s show was great, but I think it might have been a little to 90s to translate fully to today.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#137064: Nov 14th 2021 at 10:35:38 PM

[up][up][up][up]Menawhile Im expecting the time when we will see 20 nostalgia, I cant waittongue

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#137065: Nov 14th 2021 at 11:01:37 PM

@Slimcoder Black Cat did receive the Super Serum that created Captain America so she does at least have an in-universe reason for that.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137066: Nov 14th 2021 at 11:05:20 PM

Heck, Landon claimed that he had improved the Super Serum, meaning it may have given Felicia outright superhuman abilities as opposed to "just" Captain America's "peak human" status.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137067: Nov 14th 2021 at 11:06:17 PM

Huh didn’t know that, cool.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#137068: Nov 14th 2021 at 11:09:00 PM

This only applies to that specific adaptation of Black Cat. 616 comics Black Cat otoh currently has probability manipulation powers that allow her to give other people bad luck (hence the whole "Black Cat" identity).

The Nineties animated version goes by Black Cat due to adopting the identity of her father who was a notorious master thief called The Cat. At a low point in her life she also called herself a black cat due to how misfortune kept hitting everyone around her.

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2021 at 3:11:21 AM

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#137069: Nov 15th 2021 at 2:24:30 AM

I tried to get into X-Men comics after growing up on the animated series. I could never get into it. These characters I thought I liked were nothing like their cartoon counterparts. I'm not going to say these guys in the comics were worse (except Beast, he's worse), but they were different enough that I didnt feel any real connection to the comic characters.

There are a few comic mutant characters that I've since attached to, but for the most part I still dont find the X-Men comics all that appealing.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Nov 15th 2021 at 5:25:24 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#137070: Nov 15th 2021 at 3:37:14 AM

I just can't take these 90s Marvel Cartoons seriously, with their corny dialogues and voice acting, over-the-top censhorship and partially downright crappy animation.

And it's not a 'Well, back then things just were like that!' Situation either - just look at Bruce Timm's DC animation from the very same era.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137071: Nov 15th 2021 at 3:44:10 AM

Impressively said Spider-Man show had Carnage and no not mindless inhuman monster Carnage like Ultimate Spider-Man but Cletus fucking Kasady.

Like he was obviously censored so there was no gore but the insane temperament and general bloodlust was kept entirely in. He's clearly a Goddamn serial killer here.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 15th 2021 at 4:26:17 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#137072: Nov 15th 2021 at 4:13:07 AM

Also Spider Carnage

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#137073: Nov 15th 2021 at 4:25:38 AM

Oh yeah the guy basically ends it after realizing what a monster he became.

Though I don't know why they drew the symbiotes with those fish-lips, looks ugly.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 15th 2021 at 4:25:56 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#137074: Nov 15th 2021 at 4:33:26 AM

I could never get into the 90's shows because everyone talks like a Motor Mouth.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#137075: Nov 15th 2021 at 5:27:01 AM

[up]4x If anything, Carnage in that show was worse than the comics. Not only was he introduced as a Mad Bomber, but he stole people's souls and fed them to Dormammu. They took a guy who was merely a superpowered serial killer in the comics and made him Yami Marik.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 15th 2021 at 5:27:29 AM


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