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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#136976: Nov 12th 2021 at 3:29:29 PM

Uncle Ben clearly does exist in the MCU, they just haven't directly mentioned him by name yet (outside of What If Zombies) because they know that people already know about all that and just want to tell a different story with Peter.

Edited by lbssb on Nov 12th 2021 at 3:31:45 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#136977: Nov 12th 2021 at 3:30:45 PM

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#136978: Nov 12th 2021 at 3:35:20 PM

[up][up]Oh yeah? This show will give us Uncle Ben's death in a way we've never seen it before... as the tearjerker season finale of an animated Disney+ show!

I agree though, a Not His Sled take could be rather fun if done well.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#136979: Nov 12th 2021 at 3:36:25 PM

In before Uncle Ben is actually Ben Grim!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136980: Nov 12th 2021 at 3:38:19 PM

Is this an ongoing show or a more single-season thing?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#136981: Nov 12th 2021 at 3:41:02 PM

[up] Unknown but if I had to guess I'd assume single-season. It seems pretty straightforward as a prequel to Spidey's appearance in Civil War, where he said he had only been active for about 6 months. Can't imagine how much they want to dig into it given he's still supposed to be mostly a rookie by the time Stark comes along.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136982: Nov 12th 2021 at 3:44:30 PM

Then that could work especially as a final delving into high school stuff.

Could lead to something more interesting in the future if it does well.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#136983: Nov 12th 2021 at 3:48:53 PM

[up]X3: We actually don't know yet. So far, some staff members have just been confirming themselves on their roles.

It would be neat if, assuming this series lasts more than a season, the subtitle changes and it covers the gaps in Spidey's MCU timeline between movies.


Oh I just now realized Spider-Man high school is basically like Batman Year One stories.

Overused AF and creatively bankrupt to a degree.

Spider-Man: Freshman Year handshaking Batman: Caped Crusader

Upcoming superhero animated series with retro art styles, following their early years with loose connections to a current movie adaptation.


By the way, the writer for Marvel Zombies is Zeb Wells, who's an established comic book writer also working on Marvel Studios She-Hulk.

The animated series from Marvel Studios reimagines the Marvel Universe as a new generation of heroes battle against an ever-spreading zombie scourge. Directed by Executive Producer Bryan Andrews and written by Executive Producer Zeb Wells.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Nov 12th 2021 at 6:50:53 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#136984: Nov 12th 2021 at 5:25:49 PM

Would also to be nice to see more of the MCU immediately following Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron as those were big status quo shifts where the ramifications never really got the attention they deserve.

Spidey will be coming into his own when humanity has learnt Nazis infaltrated the world's governments and it was almost wiped out by an Avenger made AI, and a brand new Avengers team of Rhodey, Sam, Wanda and Vision have just debuted.

Feels like it will be a nice addition to chronological MCU watches.

's got me thinking what other animated prequals I'd like. (Probably Black Widow immediately following Winter Soldier, or MCU hulk's oragin, which seemingly took place in 2003 and has passing similarities to the Ang Lee film but we'd imagine a lot of departures. Probably less whispering.)

Edited by Whowho on Nov 12th 2021 at 1:28:19 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#136985: Nov 12th 2021 at 5:35:52 PM

I'd also like to see an animated miniseries showing how Steve returned each of the Infinity Stones.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#136986: Nov 12th 2021 at 5:40:17 PM

Oh! And a 1980s Ant-man and the Wasp series. Guest apearances from Goliath, Red Guardian, Winter Soldier, Isarah Bradley, Captain Mar'vell, Blade and the previous Black Knight.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#136987: Nov 12th 2021 at 8:07:12 PM

Or he never died at all and does not exist in their continuity,its fairly obvious to me that's the direction they're going with Spiderman,there's no Uncle Ben or his wise words

Peter's first appearance literally has him re-phrase "with great power comes great responsibility" in a way that alludes to him not stopping Ben's death.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#136989: Nov 12th 2021 at 8:16:20 PM

He already earned it.

And like, he effectively fought against super soldiers despite having no powers.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136990: Nov 12th 2021 at 8:28:32 PM

Seriously, Sam earned it. He's been to hell and back in the last few years.

In order:

1) Riley got killed in front of him.

2) He got out of the military “for a reason”.

3) He went up against HYDRA with just his prototype wings, and nearly died when he took Rumlow on hand-to-hand.

4) He'd barely gotten back into the groove before Ross dropped the Sokovia Accords on the Avengers. The BS with the Accords is probably the same kind of business that turned him off the military in the first place, on top of whatever racism Sam experienced growing up, so of course he was going to say no to the Accords.

5) For choosing to help Steve and Bucky, he wound up getting shot in the chest by Tony and put in an underwater jail, then Tony blackmailed him with Steve’s possible demise to get him to give up Steve and Bucky’s location, which resulted in an even worse fight than at the airport.

6) Sam then spent two years on the run, while Sarah struggled with the family business. Judging by the readiness of Sam's, Wanda's, Natasha's and even Steve's uniforms, most of them were still doing their Avenger duties even while on the run. And Sam couldn't contact or be there for his sister or his nephews, or the local community that he has such love for.

7) He got dusted by Thanos, and unlike Bucky (who got to call out to Steve before he went), Sam was completely alone when he disappeared. Then as soon as he and all of his dusted teammates were brought back, Steve bailed on him and dumped the mess of a broken world and broken Avengers on him.

TLDR: Sam's been through the wringer, and doesn’t need to prove himself worthy of the painted Frisbee of Propaganda.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#136991: Nov 12th 2021 at 8:55:46 PM

I wonder if that means the villain of that is going to be superpowered. Though... I've been guessing it'll be the Masters of Evil, and that - fighting a whole gauntlt of (mostly) superpowered foes - would work for that concept too

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136992: Nov 12th 2021 at 8:59:56 PM

I recall a joke I just read about Sam still having to prove himself.

"So a black guy is going to have work several times as hard to get the respect that his white co-worker got by taking drugs, cool cool cool."

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 12th 2021 at 9:00:10 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#136993: Nov 12th 2021 at 9:14:44 PM

[up]Well, steve also face the OG nazis, even having to incidentcially save their asses for the monster they help to unleash and nearly kill the work.

but yeah, probably falcon would have to face a superpower being like steve did without the serum, that would be cool.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#136994: Nov 12th 2021 at 10:08:42 PM

I expect that the films will be written so that, if you haven't seen the Disney+ series, you won't notice that you're missing anything (if for no other reason than the service flat out isn't available in many countries).

Notice how Endgame ends with Steve giving Sam the shield so he can become the new Captain America. Then Falcon and the Winter Soldier opens with Sam giving up the shield, only to finally take it and the Captain America mantle up in the climax of the final episode. That means the next Captain America movie can open with Sam using the shield and still getting used to being Captain America, and anyone who doesn't have Disney+ can assume it's picking up directly after Endgame.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#136995: Nov 12th 2021 at 10:16:51 PM

[up] Well, when you put it like that, it almost makes it seem like the show was kind of pointless. :/

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#136996: Nov 12th 2021 at 11:08:10 PM

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#136997: Nov 12th 2021 at 11:29:43 PM

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Vault Dweller
#136998: Nov 13th 2021 at 6:47:05 AM

Not a surprise, we are owed more of Starhawk for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#136999: Nov 13th 2021 at 6:53:56 AM

> Peter's first appearance literally has him re-phrase "with great power comes great responsibility" in a way that alludes to him not stopping Ben's death.

Really?

Guess I missed that part

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#137000: Nov 13th 2021 at 7:06:21 AM

Tony asks Peter why he's a superhero, and Peter says "In my experience, when you can do what I can do, and you choose not to, and people die because of that, that's on you." Clearly alluding to him feelig resooncibile for Uncle Ben's death from his inaction.

Tony's reaction to that is (internally) "boo, this kid is gonna agree with Cap if I'm not careful."


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