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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136876: Nov 9th 2021 at 10:16:41 AM

It's the hype, plus general incompetence at Sony I believe.

People may make fun of Marvel Studios for the outlandish shit they pull to prevent spoilers from leaking, which apparently includes mysterious trenchcoat script givers and burner cell phones, but you can't deny that it works. Sony by contrast just seems to try to lock down anything promotion based, and hope nobody can infiltrate and leak them. Which as we've clearly seen, doesn't work.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 9th 2021 at 10:17:41 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#136877: Nov 9th 2021 at 10:34:43 AM

spiderman deadpool movie when?

Mark my words, if that happens and Phil Lord & Chris Miller (or anyone adjacent to those guys) are directing and/or writing and/or producing it, I would actually pre-order IMAX tickets for it and swear off social media until the release because my eyeballs demands they see the best combo on the best screen, completely spoiler and leak-free.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#136878: Nov 9th 2021 at 10:36:28 AM

Only if Hit-Monkey is the villain.

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Funny but not helpful
#136879: Nov 9th 2021 at 12:19:45 PM

Villain? Hit-Monkey? He’s an anti hero and also a monkey with guns

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#136880: Nov 9th 2021 at 12:24:09 PM

And getting his own TV show. So whether that makes a hypothetical big screen cameo more or less likely is debatable.

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#136881: Nov 9th 2021 at 1:36:42 PM

[up]x5 Y'know, Endgame had a few leaks, but that movie's marketing made it clear how it's great to be surprised. We didn't know Thanos would die 20 minutes into the film and the final battle would be with an alternate version of Thanos.

Leaks take away the fun and build up expectations way too much.

Edited by dmcreif on Nov 9th 2021 at 4:45:17 AM

Okey Dokey!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#136882: Nov 9th 2021 at 1:47:06 PM

[up][up][up] Hit-Monkey was the antagonist of one of the more famous Spider-Man / Deadpool crossovers in recent times, which was also the character's introduction.

Hence, the idea of him being the antagonist of a Spider-Man / Deadpool crossover movie.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136883: Nov 9th 2021 at 2:16:40 PM

[up][up] Yep. Unfortunately, it just seems that nobody can help themselves...

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#136884: Nov 9th 2021 at 2:21:14 PM

I'm willing to bet this is all due to Sony having shit security. Wouldn't be the first time for them.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#136885: Nov 9th 2021 at 2:26:33 PM

I mean, if you want to avoid leaks, that's fine, and people should be respectful and mark spoilers appropriately. But I don't really think it's fair to say they're just bad and nobody should be seeing them. Some people do enjoy a movie just as much regardless and enjoy seeing spoilers.

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#136886: Nov 9th 2021 at 3:01:22 PM

Champea, you slime!!! Who's the source that takes the photos for Spider-Man!??

Edited by Mizerous on Nov 9th 2021 at 6:01:45 AM

Just Makima.
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#136887: Nov 9th 2021 at 3:04:41 PM

Oh yeah, we have another interview from Tom Holland, this time coming from GamesRader. He dubs this film, "three generations coming together."

"Everyone puts their trousers on in the same way in the morning," he says. "It was interesting having those guys come in because they have a certain ownership over Spider-Man in their own way, and..." He pauses. Our Spidey-senses start tingling. "I’m talking about Alfred and Jamie and those guys. To see Alfred come in, and have to adapt and change to the way that the films are made, but also change director, and also [the fact that] I’m now Spider-Man. It was really interesting to see these actors adapt and change what they were doing to fit the modern era."

Was that a slip of the tongue? Holland clarifies: "People don’t believe me when I say that [Maguire and Garfield] are not coming back. But people are going to have to believe me at some point." He laughs. "It means a lot to me. The first time you see Doc and the rest of the characters that come back, it’s so exciting – and it’s such a huge moment in cinematic history. It’s three generations coming together."

You can tell his Peter Tingle has gotten much better at leashing his secrets.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Nov 9th 2021 at 6:05:29 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136888: Nov 10th 2021 at 12:49:13 AM

Huh interesting thing to think about, I noticed Marvel's been really emphasizing teams and large casts of characters in regards to cartoons and video games for the most part.

We haven't gotten any say solo projects for any member of the Avengers like an Iron Man show or Thor game, its always strictly an Avengers team thing. Even when Hulk got his own show Agents of Smash, it was explicitly a team show where Hulk starred alongside Red Hulk, She-Hulk, A-Bomb, and Scaar. And of course that and Avengers Assemble has plenty of guest-star appearances from many characters.

Spider-Man's last 2 animated shows revolve entirely around him being apart of a team of heroes as well as guest-starring with a large-cast of characters. The Guardians of the Galaxy franchise another team series receives heavy promotion close to Avengers and Spider-Man, receiving their own show and game. By contrast we haven't gotten a show or game for say Doctor Strange, Ant-Man, or Black Panther. And of course the upcoming Midnight Suns game which is an entirely original property is a team venture featuring a very large group of characters.

By contrast the Insomniac Spider-Man games are a pretty solo venture. The first game just stars Peter Parker without the existence of any other superhero and Miles only becomes his own hero in his own game. Spider-Man 2 will have both playable but as a duo, which is less that Ultimate Spider-Man and the 2017 show which has a minimum of 4 main characters.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 10th 2021 at 12:54:02 PM

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#136889: Nov 10th 2021 at 5:36:44 AM

Okay, but will the Golden Oldie be in the movie? If not, I riot!

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#136890: Nov 10th 2021 at 7:59:33 AM

Holland says No Way Home is'nt exactly a fun ride, it's 'dark and sad'

"What people will be really surprised about is that it’s not fun, this film," Tom Hollands tells Total Film in the new issue of the magazine, featuring Scream on the cover. "It’s dark and it’s sad, and it’s going to be really affecting. You’re going to see characters that you love go through things that you would never wish for them to go through. And I was just really excited to kind of lean into that side of Peter Parker"

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#136891: Nov 10th 2021 at 8:23:57 AM

That does not give me confidence about MJ making it.

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#136892: Nov 10th 2021 at 8:28:39 AM

We haven't gotten any say solo projects for any member of the Avengers like an Iron Man show or Thor game, its always strictly an Avengers team thing.

Just quickly noting that Iron Man VR came out last year's July, in terms of modern solo outings. According to Metacritic, it has a review average of 73.

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#136893: Nov 10th 2021 at 8:35:34 AM

[up][up]I would say I had hoped we were past the whole "dead wife trope" thing, but What If…? (2021) did a whole episode around it, so maybe not.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136894: Nov 10th 2021 at 9:04:26 AM

[up][up][up] Since TASM2 already failed miserably with their adaptation of The Night Gwen Stacy died, I'd definitely be soured if MJ doesn't make it.

Personally, I'd prefer it if Ned betraying people and becomes the Hobgoblin with the indirect help of Norman Osborn. Yeah, that's probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd like to see it.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 10th 2021 at 9:04:42 AM

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#136895: Nov 10th 2021 at 9:05:24 AM

Test screenings of No Way Home were held yesterday according to an AMA from someone in attendance. What he's said about the film lines up with spoilers I read months ago

Also, two post-credits scenes apparently.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#136896: Nov 10th 2021 at 9:08:15 AM

[up]Isn't two stingers pretty much the standard for Marvel nowadays? I think only Age of Ultron just had one in terms of the last few years (aside from Endgame having zero, obviously).

[down]Oh, yeah, forgot Infinity War also only had one.

Edited by lbssb on Nov 10th 2021 at 9:10:11 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136897: Nov 10th 2021 at 9:09:22 AM

[up] Yeah, was gonna say that it's pretty traditional for Marvel to have two Stingers, unless it's something major like Infinity War, or a Disney+ show.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#136899: Nov 10th 2021 at 9:11:19 AM

It did, but that's pretty much the exception.

Come to think of it, Guardians 1 technically only had one, since the Drax and Dancing Groot scene happens right before the credits.

Phase 1 (aside from Avengers) and Iron Man 3 also had just one. Incredible Hulk doesn't have one; it was meant to, but Universal made them put it right before the credits instead.

Edited by lbssb on Nov 10th 2021 at 9:14:36 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136900: Nov 10th 2021 at 9:24:13 AM

WandaVision technically had four as well, if we count each mid-credit scenes for the last three episodes. TFATWS only had one, Loki technically only had two if you count the "X will Return" sequence, and What If only had one. But movie-wise, yes it's mostly been two post-credit scenes at the end.

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