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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136678: Nov 5th 2021 at 1:08:24 PM

So the Squadron Supreme are getting set-up. tongue

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136679: Nov 5th 2021 at 1:10:33 PM

If that seriously happens, it would definitely let the "madness" part of the title live up to its name...

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#136680: Nov 5th 2021 at 1:11:47 PM

Coming off the heels of this Dwayne Johnson comment? I think yall might be onto something...

"What we were just talking about today was, I turned to Ryan [Reynolds] and Gal [Gadot] and I said, 'There should be a crossover Marvel and DC Universe. We can be the ones to possibly make it happen.' So we’ll see, we’ll see what happens down the road."

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#136682: Nov 5th 2021 at 1:27:02 PM

Look, if they can someday adapt JLA / Avengers, but decade long pipe dream will be a success, so I'm down, sure, whatever.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#136683: Nov 5th 2021 at 3:39:56 PM

More bad news for Black Panther 2:

Production got shut down due to Letitia Wright needing to recover from an on-set injury.

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Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 5th 2021 at 6:40:39 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#136684: Nov 5th 2021 at 3:47:38 PM

This movie keeps having misfortunes piled up. It's gonna be impressive for them to get something good out of all this.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136686: Nov 5th 2021 at 3:49:52 PM

I really can't imagine how this movie is gonna turn out with the loss of its biggest star.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#136687: Nov 5th 2021 at 3:52:47 PM

"White Tiger" also is a name that sounds like a Bland-Name Product that you'd see on The Simpsons when it parodies Black Panther.

Not really, since it's the name of an actual animal.

White Tiger was also the first Latino super hero, so it would be a shame if they never did anything with Hector or his successors.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136688: Nov 5th 2021 at 4:43:17 PM

Isn’t White Tiger the name of a character from the Justice Friends shorts from Dexter’s Laboratory?

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136689: Nov 5th 2021 at 5:04:32 PM

Already the idea of a Black Panther movie without Black Panther himself looks to be an Audience-Alienating Premise. I'm seeing more and more people who are becoming against killing the character off.

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#136690: Nov 5th 2021 at 7:33:02 PM

I mean. It's not that different from producing Captain America 4 without Chris Evans. Someone else will take up the mantle. Presumably Shuri.

Shame about Letitia being an anti-vaxxer, though.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#136691: Nov 5th 2021 at 7:42:21 PM

Thats not really the same situation though. That was after a lot of movies. Plenty of stuff where Steve was Cap and Sam as Falcon before the former retired and the latter succeeds.

It wouldn't really be the same effect with BP cause T'Challa and by extension Shuri only got one movie about them.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 5th 2021 at 7:43:10 AM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#136692: Nov 5th 2021 at 7:48:24 PM

It'd be like Chris Evans died before Winter Soldier, leaving the whole crew scrambling to think what to do and decide in a new lead, even if the king of Wakanda had more appearances in Avengers movies, honestly. This situation is very complicated.

Edited by Blueace on Nov 5th 2021 at 11:50:20 AM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#136693: Nov 5th 2021 at 9:06:27 PM

The central issue here is that Shuri is the most likely candidate to replace Black Panther but a lot of people (arguably rightfully) feel that an antivaxxer like Wright is undeserving of the mantle. Which in turn is the cover of a more core issue: that people are way too precious about recasting.

I'm not even talking about T'Challa in this case, I'm talking about Shuri. A sizeable number of the people pissed at how we're stuck with Wright also wring their wrists at how we're stuck with Wright. And not in the sense of begrudging acceptance of corporate bureaucracy, but in the sense that simply dumping her for another actress is just not an option for some reason.

Like I've legit seen people suggest the Batwoman route, i.e. having Shuri eat a shit-load of explosives to the face so that a recasting could be in-universe justified as Shuri being permanently disfigured.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136694: Nov 5th 2021 at 9:13:21 PM

[up] The problem with recasting Shuri is that it would make Marvel/Disney look like complete hypocrites in the eyes of many. And for good reason: if they're willing to just recast Shuri on a whim, why can't they do the same for T'Challa? It would just add fuel to the fire.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#136695: Nov 5th 2021 at 9:17:59 PM

Recasting an actress for toxic views and an actor because he died are entirely different hills to climb.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#136696: Nov 5th 2021 at 9:18:13 PM

The MCU's central star up until incredibly recently was a convicted felon. Booting Wright because some fans are upset about her is simply not going to happen.

The average MCU ticket buyer likely has no idea what Wright's views on vaccinations are, and just as likely wouldn't care enough to call for her to be fired.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136697: Nov 5th 2021 at 9:32:04 PM

[up][up] That's kind of what I mean. I'm willing to bet there will be a lot of outcry from people who think it's stupid for Marvel to recast a character for what amounts to a somewhat minor reason, while deciding to kill off another because his actor died IRL, despite him being the entire reason why the franchise itself exists.

That being said, spreading misinformation about vaccines is bad, and I don't condone Wright's behavior. Just want to make that clear.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 5th 2021 at 9:35:31 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#136698: Nov 5th 2021 at 9:33:43 PM

I think if someone equates these two they must have a few screws loose and I'd be happy ignoring their opinions.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136699: Nov 5th 2021 at 9:37:12 PM

Its a sad thing about all this.

Even if we do get a new Black Panther, its not gonna be the same. People want more T'Challa because he is Black Panther.

Shuri is a fine character overall but she's no Black Panther.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136700: Nov 5th 2021 at 9:38:51 PM

[up][up] I think it's less about screws being loose, and more that T'Challa really resonates with a lot of people, and they think it's unfair that having someone like him being killed off and never used again to supposedly respect his legacy seems unfair to them.

[up] Of course, recasting the character can be something to remedy that. But...it just wouldn't be the same without Chadwick, would it?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 5th 2021 at 9:39:59 AM

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