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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
See, I don't really think "they used Multiverse in the title of one of their movies, so they should've known people would place expectations that literally every project they made regardless of whether it's actually that movie itself would be about specifically reintroducing things from old movie series" tracks as a reason its their fault, especially given how much of a conclusion jump that was in the first place.
The big thing I perceive as something they're not doing right, specifically, the lack of information about what these upcoming projects are - or, specifically, what these projects are not. Not because the backlash is their fault, but because they're letting the backlash fester when they could just be shutting that shit down. The thing that one of Loki's showrunners did, where they said "no, this isn't Mephisto, shut up" after the very first episode to head the mob off at the pass is something they should do more.
But the people who makes these things don't want to have to do that. They like to let people speculate: it's part of the hype and enjoyment. It's not their fault speculation is becoming something entitled and negative these days: this whole wave of "I have this huge, elaborate theory about this movie/show, and if this theory turns out to be wrong I will incite a mob to hate it forever" in fans is new and kind of unsettling (the first time I ever saw it was with The Last Jedi, which was only a couple years ago).
The whole idea of not having one's theories be satisfied be seen as a "legitimate" reason to criticize a film is popular now in pop culture whereas the expectation is people will not mind being being wrong in speculation and enjoy things for what they are, and while by now I think they should be aware it exists in fanbases right now it's also not unreasonable that they just don't always know when fanbases will react in such an extreme way.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 4th 2021 at 10:41:23 AM
I mean, the "leaks" on Reddit make it sound like the movie's going to horribly butcher Wanda, Strange, and Mordo; with Wanda being character-assassinated a la Daenerys, Strange completely sidelined in favor of fanservice cameos, and Mordo being practically nonexistent. They read like "bad fanfiction being passed off as a leak", something reinforced by the fact that all of them seem to have a lot of details about Wanda but almost nothing about Strange.
The way I see it, I think we're going to actually get a movie where it's Strange, Wanda, Wong and Chavez as a "Sorcerer Quartet" who are up against Mordo, who's been carrying out his crusade to rid the world of sorcerers. Mordo makes a great villain for the former two given his connection to Kamar-Taj, and for Wanda given he's essentially another Agatha for her.
This is also true of No Way Home given the amount of leaks and rumormongering from that camp.
Okey Dokey!I think another problem with Multiverse of Madness is that we can't really tell who or what is going to be in the film, and how they might be involved with it if they're in it. Mostly because every time something multiverse-related comes up in a new show/movie, it opens buckets of worms we have to make sense of.
Like, we know for sure that Doctor Strange, Wong, Scarlet Witch and Karl Mordo are going to be involved is going to play a big part in Multiverse of Madness. If we take WandaVision into account, it's possible Wanda's kids get involved as well. And it's been heavily hinted that the events of Loki also play some role in the story, and we already know that Kang was introduced in that show who will be the main antagonist of Quantumania. So does that mean Ant-Man and the Wasp are connected to this film somehow? Or what about the Time Variance Authority? If Michael Waldron is a screenwriter on Mo M, that could literally mean anything.
And then there's Strange's involvement in No Way Home which in it of itself is a huge multiversal Crisis Crossover that involves alternate film continuities. And since Peter is confirmed for one more ensemble film after NWH, does that give him a chance to appear?
While I understand most of these ideas I've mentioned are indicative of many invested fans' straw-grasping desperation for answers that they have to wait months to get, but that's the point I'm trying to make. Cryptic announcements, combined with long wait-times, a lack of information and desperate fans hunting for any information they can find just becomes incredibly overwhelming to think about. It just seems like there's all these threads that all lead towards Multiverse of Madness, and people really want to get there as soon as possible.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."It's to the point that the rumors about who's showing up in what read more like people throwing literally every guess they can at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Okey Dokey!The rumors about Wanda being a villain are almost certainly false, considering leaked art like this
depicting her with Strange, Wong, and Chavez. This is Wanda being promoted alongside protagonist characters, and without any of the visual motifs used to advertise a villain. So at worst, she's probably a minor antagonist turned ally, who turns very early in the movie.
I don't know why but its a thing that always makes me think about it, both Drax and Gamora are green-skinned aliens whose powerset revolves around enhanced physical abilities and bladed weapons.
Its weird how they intersect a lot of traits with each other, they both can basically do everything the other can. I guess its like how The Suicide Squad commented on how similar Bloodsport and Peacemaker are in their abilities.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Maybe that's why Gamora and Drax used to be Headbutting Heroes in the first Guardians movie before never really developing their relationship further in future movies.
Had to look up Gael García Bernal's filmography, it's both unfortunate but probably expected that I, an American, only really know him from Coco.
Still, it wound up giving me a thought: between that and Encanto Disney's probably made quite a few inroads with seeking Latino talent. Leaves me hopeful that Marvel could increasingly take advantage of that.
Edited by Watchtower on Nov 4th 2021 at 5:12:25 AM
While I don't believe she is going to be a villain either, it is arguably worth pointing out that she's in "villain position" in that art.
@Matthew Wayne Its a weird redundancy.
Both character's are functionally identical. Sure they have different personalities but its odd in a way.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Ngl, I'm disappointed that the first two latino-lead projects from MCU (this one and Moon Knight) are from characters who aren't latinos in the actual comics.
EDIT: Okay, I just remembered that there is a latino werewolf character from Marvel: Martin Reyna aka Warwolf. He is the second in command of the supernatural version of the Howling Commandos, a team composed of monsters (like Man-Thing, Hit-Monkey, and the Living Mummy) who are under the SHIELD sub-division of STAKE. Consideirng this is simply called "werewolf project", could it be that this might be a Howling Commandos project and the lead is Warwolf and not Werewolf by Night?
Edited by Akirakan on Nov 4th 2021 at 8:53:59 AM
Well, the second Werewolf By Night (Jake Gomez) is Latino in the comics. People are presuming he's the basis here, though he's a very recent arrival (debuted in October of 2020).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Well, it could be, but the character is a teen character (GGB is in his 40's), and one of the things that they emphasize with him is his native heritage. It does not look good casting a very white looking mexican to play a very indigenous latino.
In any case, I already edited my previous post and suggested the possibility of the character being Warwolf, not Werewolf by Night.
Hmm, if it's true that Bernal is supposed to be playing Jake Gomez specifically, then while I don't think we have an outright page or research into it, some folks have noticed a tendency for US Native American characters to be played by Mexican or Latin actors, who may be mestize enough to technically fulfill the Native heritage quota, but who have very little connection to whatever indigenous heritage they do have. I'm not super informed on Bernal's heritage or family history and sense of self-identification, but for what it's worth it does seem like he does have a history of working with natives, if not necessarily being one of them.
Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 4th 2021 at 11:52:48 AM

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