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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
While I do think the movie is still fun and entertaining, I feel like the film isn't quite as investing, even compared to the first Avengers. I also felt like character focus was all over the place, to the point where I didn't really feel strongly about any of the main characters.
I get that in Avengers movies there isn't a main character, but I felt like there was a little bit more focus on at least two or three characters in the first Avengers, Infinity War and Endgame. Here, I can't really tell who I should be paying attention to.
I will say I thought the film was awesome when I first saw it in theaters, but coming back now, I can see a lot of the problems that plagued it.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 2nd 2021 at 7:57:29 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Tony in the comics just has one book, like a polite person. The X-Men and Spider-Man are the real Batmens of print, releasing as many and more books than the market can handle.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIts a weird thing.
Spider-Man has a lot of books but he kinda just stays in his own corner, not really uprooting anyone else's stuff. Its like how during Dark Reign Norman Osborn basically became the biggest threat in America and Spider-Man was barely involved. Instead Luke Cage and Jessica Jones are the ones who primarily brought Osborn's fall from grace. Not very Batman who tends to make it all about him.
But in the movies Iron Man just has this far reaching grasp on a lot of stuff like a virus, absorbing shit into himself to make it all about him exactly like Batman. Like how the future Flash movie is more of a Batman film than a Flash film.
Edited by slimcoder on Nov 2nd 2021 at 9:53:05 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Are we counting symbiote stuff as Spider-adjacent? Because we are several yearly symbiote events in and I'm exhausted.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersHe tends to get too much focus and connection to stuff at the expense of other characters.
Famous cases being turned into Ultron's creator and his stranglehold on the Spider-Man movies.
The Ultron thing was due to issues with Ant-Man's debut in the MCU being delayed. He's barely in the Homecoming and is completely absent in Far From Home.
Sure you don't mean Spider-Man and the X-Men? I doubt the Hulk was ever as big as Spider-Man, let alone Batman and Superman. Hell, for a time, you could even say Blade was bigger than the Hulk.
I honestly don't mind Stark creating Ultron at all. Makes a lot more sense for him, with his focus on robotics and AI, than Hank Pym being an Omnidisciplinary Scientist.
Hulk *the character* was popular in the mainstream but it wasn't like his supporting cast or rogues gallery were all that well-known in the mainstream compared to, say, Spider-Man's. It didn't help that the most popular Hulk media wasn't within the movies, but the TV series starring Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno, which isn't the most faithful adaptation (though certainly not in-name only, to its credit). A lot of the big comic book stuff like in Peter David's run was captured in the Ang Lee Hulk, which was...not the most well-received adaptation.
The X-Men were definitely more popular by contrast.
Edited by Diana1969 on Nov 3rd 2021 at 4:37:14 AM
The X-Men are in this unfortunately obnoxious spot where, thanks to the Fox ban, they're simultaneously still the Goliath they were back in the 90s and now the David scrapping against the new Goliath that is the MCU. Like, Marvel hasn't milked X-Men nearly as hard as DC's milked Batman but good Lord do people really really want them to.
Marvel gaming is full of people straining over whether or not a game is "too MCU", which both means increasingly little and is blatantly code for "does this game have X-Men in it" and it grinds my gears every time I see it.
Edited by Watchtower on Nov 2nd 2021 at 1:41:19 PM
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That is true but it also means that Tony doesn't have the same relationship that Hank has with Ultron. He doesn't really care that much about Ultron's creation and not much emphasis is placed on him being a twisted reflection of his creator.
He ended up making Ultron a worse character and Oedipus Complex dynamic that defines the mad robot has been lost.
Edited by slimcoder on Nov 2nd 2021 at 10:52:23 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."That part of the relationship existed on Ultron's side in AOU. Although mainly I can just think of when he flipped out on Klau for comparing him to Tony.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersMCU Ultron basically wants to out-Tony Tony Stark. He wants to prove himself superior to his creator.
Comics Ultron seems to have settled into being Hank Pym's Shadow Archetype, defining himself as the embodiment of Hank Pym's own resentment of other people. Ultron also insists that the fact Ultron embraces it rather than suppresses it the way Hank does makes Ultron the real Hank Pym.
Edited by M84 on Nov 3rd 2021 at 2:04:58 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedUltron was originally created with a copy of Hank Pym's own mind. He was in a way Hank Pym's mental clone.
Ultron seems to waffle between wanting to kill Hank Pym, wanting to be Hank Pym, or wanting Hank Pym to acknowledge him as his son.
Edited by M84 on Nov 3rd 2021 at 2:08:43 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThe problem is that he has his creator's issues (whoever that is) but has none of the outlets or distractions that his creator has to cope with said issues.
Ultron was "born" with all of the inner demons but lacked the actual experience Hank or Tony had living with said inner demons.
Edited by M84 on Nov 3rd 2021 at 5:42:58 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised

I definitely liked Age of Ultron more than expected the last time I rewatched it. Definitely has quite a few flaws, but it was enjoyable overall. Still my least favorite Avengers movie, but not by a massive margin.