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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136501: Nov 1st 2021 at 12:49:08 PM

He is very ugly, indeed with that oversized wrinkly face and stubby-ass limbs.

I always found him hard to look at.

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#136502: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:05:49 PM

It should be noted that even if Carrey is cast as MODOK, he could still play him relatively seriously and not have to do his regular shtick. He can and has done dramatic roles before, notably Truman.

Though seeing how well he managed to balance his regular Carrey-ness while still recognizably being Dr. Robotnik means he could do it here as well, so who knows?

Edited by lbssb on Nov 1st 2021 at 1:07:08 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136503: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:23:44 PM

I'm not sure if I want Jim Carrey in a Marvel movie. I'm not sure why, but I just feel like it would be...weird...if he joined that franchise.

Honestly, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Bill Murray is in Quantumania.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#136504: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:33:47 PM

Jim Carrey has expressed notorious anti-vaxxer misinformation in the past.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136505: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:34:58 PM

[up] ...wait, what

Okay, just took a look. Apparently he's been pretty anti-vaccine long before COVID came to be. That's...pretty fruity.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 1st 2021 at 1:36:29 AM

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#136506: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:36:44 PM

My star casting for Jim Carrey as a Marvel character has always been Cletus Kasady. He's one of few actors I can think of who I believe could really pull off Kasady's unhinged manic energy.

But that ship's sailed.

What's this about Carrey being an anti-vaxxer? I don't disbelieve it, it's just news to me.

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#136507: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:37:22 PM

Yeah, he's one of those "vaccines cause autism" types. I remember him being featured in a special with Jenny McCarthy about it some years ago.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136508: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:38:33 PM

He's apparently been anti-vaccination since 2009 at the earliest, and reaffirmed it in 2015. At least according to Wikipedia.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 1st 2021 at 1:39:12 AM

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#136509: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:41:09 PM

Jim Carry is such the perfect Cletus Kassidy that I kept thinking he was cast despite it being a completely different guy

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#136510: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:42:41 PM

I was thinking Kraven the hunter myself

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136511: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:47:32 PM

Aaron Taylor-Johnson is going to star as Kraven in one of Sony's movies. Gotta wonder who made that casting choice...

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#136512: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:50:48 PM

Yeah, I wondered that myself. Way too young, the guy.

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#136513: Nov 1st 2021 at 1:58:49 PM

He's also not all that muscular, and he's pretty pale. I get that sometimes you can get away with casting different-looking people as certain characters, but that seems like a reach.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#136514: Nov 1st 2021 at 3:14:41 PM

Kraven is always a slightly more off-the-wall sort to cast because his Rated M for Manly features are very core to the character at the same time he also requires some fairly strong chops. He's tall, ripped, with mighty facial hair and features of a grizzled, Hemingway-esque big game hunter. At the same time he's also a deeply poetic (often literally, what with his habit of quoting erudite poetry like the famous use of William Blake's "Tyger, Tyger") and intellectual character who requires some strong acting chops to really come through, so you can't just cast a bodybuilder as him. At the same time, again, his Testosterone Poisoning traits are key to his character (indeed they're one of the central points of Kraven's Last Hunt, with Kraven's toxic masculinity leading him to self-destruction while Pete is more healthy) so he needs that appearance. On top of everything, Kraven's status as a Husky Russkie is also one of the cornerstones of his character, so you also need to factor that into account while trying to make sure he doesn't come across as a caricature of himself (e.g with a cartoonish fake russian ;accent).

Aaron-Taylor Johnson, for example, feels odd because he has very soft, boyish features (and a relativley soft voice, which is noticeable if you key to the fact adaptations of Kraven have pretty universally shown him speaking in a deep baritone) which go at odds with the "grizzled, manly hunter" characterization (and he's also not from eastern-europe, though he keeps playing slavs with questionable accents). He's a very talented actor so he might overcome these hills but it's just a strange choice to begin with considering what we know of Kraven the Hunter.

He's the type of character who you could more easily imagine someone like David Harbour playing (ironically cast as another Husky Russkie already): physically imposing actor with a Badass Baritone and rougher, traditionally "manly" features.

Ideally, I'd want to see someone who's actually goddamn Russian (or at least from eastern-europe) as Kraven. Like Yuri Kolokolnikov (most recently seen in TENET as one of the main villains) or Oleg Taktarov (from Predators).

Edited by Gaon on Nov 1st 2021 at 3:18:45 AM

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#136515: Nov 1st 2021 at 3:16:41 PM

I really dread imagining what kinda training regime they'll put him through, honestly.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#136516: Nov 1st 2021 at 3:20:05 PM

Yeah, honestly, Russians are almost always cast with non-russian actors, which is really a shame.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#136517: Nov 1st 2021 at 3:23:52 PM

Kraven's case is one of the most notorious because him being former Russian aristocracy attached to (his own reading of) aristocratic russian tradition is aproximatedly 50% of his character since KLH redefined the character.

It's going to get pretty silly to hear Aaron-Taylor Johnson with a fake russian accent talking about his deep ties to his homeland of modern russia and how modernity has corrupted the proud, aristocratic soul of his home before quoting Dostoyevsky in russian very badly because he can't speak the language at all (I'm presuming).

Edited by Gaon on Nov 1st 2021 at 3:24:19 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136518: Nov 1st 2021 at 3:32:19 PM

Reminder that the only actual Russian or Eastern European actor in Black Widow was a mute.

Everyone else was non-Russians playing Russians.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#136519: Nov 1st 2021 at 3:40:36 PM

[up] Haven't seen the movie yet, but yeah, that is pretty bad.

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Pet Owner
#136520: Nov 1st 2021 at 4:46:44 PM

Sadly not many Russians have Hollywood appeal.

Just Makima.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136521: Nov 1st 2021 at 5:08:58 PM

There's something to be said about the huge irony there especially since Olga Kurylenko was casted as a typically talkative and charismatic character only to miss out on it completely.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136522: Nov 1st 2021 at 8:28:01 PM

Saw this great theory recently that O.T. Fagbenle was the Taskmaster in earlier drafts of Black Widow and then they changed it to Kurylenko while making Fagbenle be Rick Mason.

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#136523: Nov 1st 2021 at 9:42:33 PM

[up]Who was Kurylenko going to play then?

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#136524: Nov 2nd 2021 at 12:30:35 AM

She wasn't (according to the theory/rumour.) She was only bought in to play the General's daughter/Taskmaster once they decided to go that route. This could partly explain why she gets very little to actually say/do if it was a late decision.

Edited by jakobitis on Nov 2nd 2021 at 12:32:04 PM

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#136525: Nov 2nd 2021 at 6:19:23 AM

New set photos of Chris Hemsworth and Natalie Portman on the set of Thor: Love and Thunder.

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