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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136451: Oct 30th 2021 at 5:41:59 PM

Huh so there are rumors that a Nova movie is possibly in development and at least one of John Boyega possibly being eyed.

So thats fun to think about.

Either him or Adam Warlock could potentially be Quill's bromigo.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136452: Oct 30th 2021 at 5:54:07 PM

[up] If John Boyega does end up becoming Nova, I'm gonna be surprised. Both him and Oscar Issac have expressed so much disdain for Disney after Star Wars' Sequel Trilogy, so I wouldn't blame Boyega for passing on anything Marvel related. Hell, I'm surprised that not only did Isaac accept the role of Moon Knight after his bad experiences being both Poe Dameron and Apocalypse, but that he's actually having fun with it based on what he's been saying online thus far.

I know some people may complain about a lack of creative control within Marvel Studios, but Isaac's experiences with them compared to Fox and Lucasfilm make me curious.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 30th 2021 at 5:56:00 AM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#136453: Oct 30th 2021 at 5:56:02 PM

In spite of my bad inlkings about Chris Pratt the person, I would like to see Quill get more character development/return to having character development and have that kind of friendship.

That being said, in light of the Eternals post credit spoiler about Eros/Starfox and Pip, I wonder if there's going to be a new generation of Guardians, just like there is for the Avengers. And Nova will be a member of that team along with other new characters. And maybe Mantis will stick around.

Also, in connection with the spoiler, I'm also wondering about what the next movie will do with (not sure this needs to be spoiled) Adam Warlock, because all three new characters are closely connected with Thanos and/or the Infinity Stones.

I don't know how likely it is, but I wonder if there will be some mumbojumbo that recreates the Stones and also allows for the deceased Gamora to merge with the living one. Don't think it's too likely that Thanos will be back, but like every other comic character, he has come back from the dead several times in the comics.

Edited by Hodor2 on Oct 30th 2021 at 7:56:45 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136454: Oct 30th 2021 at 6:22:01 PM

[up][up] It could certainly be a role to make up for his poor treatment as Finn.

Nova from you read about him is a one-man army badass who is one of the biggest characters in cosmic Marvel, having an integral role in several beloved events like Annihilation and The Thanos Imperative.

Certainly sounds like a step up from Finn.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 30th 2021 at 6:26:08 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136455: Oct 30th 2021 at 6:24:28 PM

[up] At least Nova has a solid foundation to base himself off of unlike Finn, who was just made up and had his characterization and focused moved around whenever the studio saw it fit.

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#136456: Oct 30th 2021 at 7:37:03 PM

When you put Michaela Russell (Young Wanda) in a Scarlet Witch costume for Halloween, she looks so cute and you can even see the resemblance to Elizabeth Olsen. smile

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#136458: Oct 30th 2021 at 8:35:52 PM

Also, nice to see WandaVision trending on Twitter because apparently, "Sokovian fortune teller" and "Mexican luchador" are the trendy Halloween costumes this year.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#136460: Oct 30th 2021 at 8:58:50 PM

So...would Boyega be Richard Ryder then?

Or would they create another new Nova character like they did with Sam Alexander (mainly to avoid the bad jokes about Rich's name)?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136461: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:01:40 PM

That be pretty unnecessary. I mean it’s not like they created entire new characters with the Eternals for the ones who got gender/racelifted.

Makkari in the comics wasn’t a deaf black woman but she is in the movie and she’s still called Makkari.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 30th 2021 at 9:13:46 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#136462: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:09:53 PM

Alright. I'm cool with that.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136463: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:14:37 PM

Plus Sam Alexander was a Jeph Loeb creation and Jeph Loeb does what Jeph Loeb wants. It’s just weirdness.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 30th 2021 at 9:15:16 AM

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#136464: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:17:10 PM

They better not mess with Dick Rider's name.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#136465: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:21:37 PM

I think they already made all the jokes, anyway. They'll probably call him Rick or Rich or something like that.

Sam is currently more associated with Earth, anyway, hanging out with Kamala and Miles in the Champions.

Edited by Blueace on Oct 30th 2021 at 1:29:11 PM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136466: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:42:14 PM

If Nova is introduced, I hope they play a song from VNV Nation in his movie/show. They have that kind of "mystical space journey" electronic feel to them.

Also, unrelated question, but one I have to wonder about in regards to What If. From a Watsonian perspective, who is Uatu narrating to? What is the purpose of his speaking aloud?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 30th 2021 at 9:42:57 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136467: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:44:08 PM

It does make one curious whats the next step for the cosmic setting. Now that Thanos is gone there is no longer a Frieza looming the universe so now they can bring in whatever threat they want.

We got the Captain Marvel movie which deals with the Kree/Skrull conflict, Guardians 3 which will prolly deal with the golden skin aliens, and I guess technically Secret Invasion since it deals with Skrulls and potentially Thor 4 if its setting is also cosmic.

Plus we got Fantastic Four coming and that will inevitably lead to the arrival of Galactus and the Silver Surfer.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 30th 2021 at 9:44:52 AM

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#136468: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:44:10 PM

[up][up]I don't think there is a Watsonian explanation; he's meant to be speaking directly to us, the veiwers.

It's sorta like how Deadpool works; his fourth wall breaks are an actual, In-Universe thing the other characters occasionally react to, where in any other work it's an implicitly non-canon thing that nobody else notices.

Edited by lbssb on Oct 30th 2021 at 9:45:34 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136469: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:47:41 PM

[up] I wonder what Uatu would think of Deadpool. Certainly, attempting to narrate any of his branching timelines would be next to impossible...

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 30th 2021 at 9:48:01 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#136470: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:54:55 PM

[up]

I imagine the realization that Deadpool could see and hear him would give him terror flashbacks to infinity Ultron....at least at first.

Sam is currently more associated with Earth, anyway, hanging out with Kamala and Miles in the Champions.

Yeah, Sam does seem to have taken Rich's place as the Earth Based Nova, which makes sense since The Champions more or less seem to be a modern day New Warriors....which makes the utter debacle that was Outlawed only more frustrating, as I'd have liked to see how the two group bounce off each other what with the Warriors basically being to the Champions what previous teams like the Avengers were to them.

Instead we got internet gas and some bullshit, and the whole thing died brutally before it could even begin.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#136471: Oct 30th 2021 at 10:00:36 PM

I actually kinda wish they had stuck to their guns and not used Covid as an excuse to quietly shove that under the rug, just so we could see for ourselves how bad it actually got.

At the very least, it'd give Linkara some review fodder down the line or something.

Edited by lbssb on Oct 30th 2021 at 10:00:48 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136472: Oct 30th 2021 at 10:01:24 PM

Its kinda funny for Sam since his ongoing I believe did feature space adventures for him.

But when Rider came back he comfortably fitted right into his space adventures like nothing's happened while Sam is exclusive to Earth now barring the occasional Champion adventure that sends them to space.

Plus the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon did have him as a member of the Guardians of the Galaxy, at least a protégé.

[up] Man Night Thrasher's costume was so cool in the promos we've seen.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 30th 2021 at 10:01:58 AM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#136473: Oct 31st 2021 at 5:45:39 AM

I think we can safely say that Sam Alexander is pretty deeply unpopular, easily the least successful of Marvel's recent attempts at Affirmative-Action Legacy, though he's not hated enough to qualify as a Scrappy. So Marvel brought Ryder back and gave him all of the actual Nova stuff while Sam's been pretty much reduced to just being a Champions mainstay.

So like, there's a non-zero chance the MCU just skips Sam entirely, though I'd imagine they'd grab a younger Ryder to compensate. Even then, I'll be honest I don't how much I vibe with Boyega as Ryder/Nova. Not that he'd be bad, far from it, just feels like Boyega could've easily fit a bigger sort of role.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136474: Oct 31st 2021 at 12:36:52 PM

I wonder how Nova and The Marvels are going to cover the cosmic side of the MCU. Most of the MCU's installments that take place in space tend to lean more towards goofy stuff, with GOTG and Ragnarok in particular being explicit throwbacks to seventies and/or eighties culture. Will there be some more serious films that take place in the cosmos, or will it still be wacky and zany for the most part?

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#136475: Oct 31st 2021 at 1:24:18 PM

[up] I'm pretty sure Eternals is going to be a more serious take on the MCU cosmic stuff, even though it seems to be primarily set on Earth.

... No spoilers, though.


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