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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136426: Oct 30th 2021 at 12:59:53 PM

[up] I meant more in terms of his toxic masculinity, but yeah you aren't wrong.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#136427: Oct 30th 2021 at 1:02:50 PM

The Mind Screw part of Loki's ending is that because it occurs outside of the timestream it impacts all points in time simultaneously. So it isn't just that the MCU's multiverse is open to branching out going forward, it's been effectively retconned to have always been capable of branching out this whole time.

What If technically occurs after Loki only in a strictly Doylist sense, but this is where the MST3K Mantra kicks in. [lol]

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136428: Oct 30th 2021 at 1:03:40 PM

Like I said he really needs to be able to learn how to actually function next to a hot guy without being horribly offended by their existence.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136429: Oct 30th 2021 at 1:44:51 PM

[up][up] That's why the show itself is so fascinating. It's like the show is happening before, during and after the events of the Infinity Saga all at once, so you can't exactly put it on an entirely linear timeframe in contrast to the rest of the series. It's why I like to believe Steve didn't receive any TVA interference because for all we know, the Multiverse could've come into existence by the time Thanos was defeated, thus making it impossible for the TVA to track him.

[up] I feel like Quill feeling threatened by Deadpool's existence at first, but gradually starting to relax and become a better person could be amazing character development for him, and would be an amazing story on its own. But something tells me Chris Pratt wouldn't exactly be comfortable with that idea...

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#136430: Oct 30th 2021 at 1:51:42 PM

Why would Chris Pratt object to that?

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#136431: Oct 30th 2021 at 2:01:52 PM

The church he's a part of has some notably homophobic CE Os, though Pratt insists that the church itself doesn't hold those believes and he wouldn't be a part of it if it did.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136432: Oct 30th 2021 at 2:03:19 PM

[up] Yeah. I hope I'm wrong and he'd be willing to work with Deadpool, but I don't think Chris would want to and/or be able to star alongside an openly LGBT hero without attracting criticism from certain people.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#136433: Oct 30th 2021 at 2:22:49 PM

I know this thread generally dislikes Chris Pratt and looks for excuses to dunk on him, but that seems like a gross and needlessly cynical extrapolation of the man's personal ethics.

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#136434: Oct 30th 2021 at 2:31:04 PM

You are judged by the company you keep,in his case his company happens to be a church that is known for being homophobic

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136435: Oct 30th 2021 at 2:32:13 PM

I'm not trying to hate on Pratt by any means. Just based on his actions and words, I'm just making an inference.

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#136436: Oct 30th 2021 at 2:35:02 PM

Then has he said something suggesting he would be against working with an openly LGBT hero?

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#136437: Oct 30th 2021 at 2:35:53 PM

On Instagram, Pratt’s follows include Tulsi Gabbard, Jordan Peterson, The Babylon Bee, Madison Cawthorn, Dan Crenshaw, Ben Shapiro, Nicky Hailey, and Praeger University, among other Republican/right wing adjacent things.

So I’d say extrapolate away.

He may be personally nice and maybe he doesn’t have animus against LGBTQ people. But no one who isn’t a right wing chud would be following all of those people/organizations.

Edited by Hodor2 on Oct 30th 2021 at 4:45:11 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#136438: Oct 30th 2021 at 2:45:12 PM

At this stage I'd rather assume Chris is gullible. But it's certainly a red flag and I'd keep a close eye incase ever he expresses anything homophobic.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136439: Oct 30th 2021 at 2:50:43 PM

A disturbing irony considering how much he plays his characters like frat bros.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#136440: Oct 30th 2021 at 3:08:07 PM

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Pratt's one of those types to believe in the separation of professional life and personal life. Everything I've heard says that he's a very nice guy and is very good to work with, so the most that he's guilty of is who he associates with. There was one story of him exposing himself to Amy Poehler as a joke, but that sort of behavior was only disappointingly recently not taboo and I haven't heard of any additional incidents nor anything to suggest the Poehler incident wasn't sufficiently dealt with.

So bottom line, I'm honestly okay with Pratt as long as he doesn't actively fuck up, but I won't blame others for not being as courteous.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#136441: Oct 30th 2021 at 3:13:11 PM

That’s my sense as well, but my sense is also that if you asked him his opinion on any number of things, and he was being honest, you’d get a lot of bigotry and conspiracy theories.

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#136442: Oct 30th 2021 at 3:17:09 PM

I love the idea that Scott Lang, Tony Stark, and Bruce Banner accidentally invented the Multiverse by setting up the Time Heist. [lol]

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#136443: Oct 30th 2021 at 3:20:59 PM

Just a heads-up: there's another round of potential No Way Home behind-the-scenes costume and alternate trailer footage leaks circulating online. Just being mindful as a couple of secondary news outlets and social media places are reposting them.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136444: Oct 30th 2021 at 3:25:53 PM

Regardless though it would be nice for Quill to gain a truly genuine friendship with someone, anyone really.

I mean sure the Guardians are pretty close overall the dynamics between the group is fairly acerbic, more along the lines of vitriolic best buds so there tends to be a decent amount of mocking and bickering going about.

A kinship with less wanting to strangle the other out of frustration for something they have done like with Rocket.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#136445: Oct 30th 2021 at 3:43:50 PM

I thought it would be nice if they did something with Quill and Mantis, since they're technically step-siblings. I'm kind of surprised that never popped up in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#136446: Oct 30th 2021 at 3:45:11 PM

Its kind of those things that gets a nod but I think being an alien it's better not to confuse the audience like that

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136447: Oct 30th 2021 at 3:45:41 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Those three specific characters being indirectly responsible for the multiverse is...actually pretty on point for all three of them. Scott's the guy who randomly suggests it to see if it could work, Tony's the one who does it to prove it can be done, and Bruce is the one who just goes along with it to make people happy.

[up][up][up][up] Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Sony's decision to keep a lid on most things No Way Home is biting them in the ass. Severely.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 30th 2021 at 3:54:03 AM

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#136448: Oct 30th 2021 at 5:27:44 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Sony's decision to keep a lid on most things No Way Home is biting them in the ass. Severely.

At this point the trailer is going to leak out anytime...

I think the only thing that's even certain is that the fan backlash when people find out a lot of their theorycrafting was wrong is going to make the WandaVision / Ralph Bohner fiasco look like a slumber party. I'm already making popcorn.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136449: Oct 30th 2021 at 5:32:10 PM

[up] Either that, or people will be complaining that the characters they wanted were wasted or didn't get enough screentime.

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