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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#136401: Oct 29th 2021 at 8:07:20 AM

Honestly, the Sentry strikes me as an incredibly interesting character that I'd love to see in the MCU at some point. What with his various neuroses and evil side, he sounds like a really interesting and dynamic character that could work really well as the antagonist of a film.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#136402: Oct 29th 2021 at 9:54:46 AM

RE: Agatha: I've yet to see WandaVision (yeah, I know, shame on me), but given that Multiverse of Madness hinges on stuff from WV, I don't *think* it's impossible to expect some kind of follow-up on her deal, at the very least.

(Maybe we can have a mouth-off contest between her and Loki?) I jest, but the thought of Sam Raimi tackling other Marvel characters besides just Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch sounds like a wet dream for any aficionado of both him and Marvel.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#136403: Oct 29th 2021 at 9:56:56 AM

I'm not sure we could say Multiverse of Madness hinges on Wandavision. We know Wanda's going to be in it, but that's about it.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136405: Oct 29th 2021 at 10:52:19 AM

On the subject of Multiverse of Madness, any of you guys ever think we might someday see Clea or Umar turn up in the MCU? I think there's a case for one or both of them to be in Multiverse of Madness. Umar's the comics sister of Dormammu, and Clea's her daughter who became Strange's love interest.

Okey Dokey!
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#136406: Oct 29th 2021 at 10:56:38 AM

There was leaked concept art showing Clea. Which (assuming it was real) doesn't mean she's in the film, but at least means she's in the minds of the creators.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136407: Oct 29th 2021 at 11:32:24 AM

I just now thought of this, what does Drax do?

Gamora and Rocket are always the most competent ones, Quill for the most part can be clever and ingenious in figuring out solutions, but what has Drax actually done?

Is he actually the most useless member of the team?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#136408: Oct 29th 2021 at 11:34:47 AM

No thats rocket

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136409: Oct 29th 2021 at 11:41:10 AM

[up][up] He was the one who helped Mantis realize how horrible a person Ego was, and also kicked down the door to get to his human body. He also helped defeat Cull Obsidian.

Although he doesn't do much in contrast to his other teammates, I will give you that.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#136410: Oct 29th 2021 at 11:41:44 AM

He’s the muscle and also the funny one.

The legend has returned.
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#136411: Oct 29th 2021 at 11:42:12 AM

I don't think baby Groot was all that useful, but he cute so.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136412: Oct 29th 2021 at 11:44:41 AM

[up][up] I'm not really considering humor here.

Yes he's an entertaining character but so are the other Guardians. Quill and Rocket crack plenty of jokes so being funny isn't that big of a thing.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136413: Oct 30th 2021 at 10:05:02 AM

So apparently this one guy I follow on Twitter who knows comics really well is kinda angry about the idea of Starfox being adapted to the MCU because of his power set. I know some people were talking about the character this forum a few days ago but now that the cat's out of the bag for me, did anyone discuss how that would happen? I'm curious on what other people think.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#136414: Oct 30th 2021 at 10:10:06 AM

What I think is... CAN'T LET YOU DO THAT, STARFOX!

Just Makima.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#136415: Oct 30th 2021 at 10:12:01 AM

QUICK DO A BARREL ROLL!

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136416: Oct 30th 2021 at 10:12:30 AM

Random question, but have your perceptions of any of the Disney Plus shows that have aired so far been changed in the time since they came out?

For me, WandaVision was clearly the lightning in a bottle and gets better by the day (the only thing missing is that there should've been an onscreen explanation as to how Hayward came into possession of Vision's corpse), The Falcon and the Winter Soldier could've used more episodes (and a better arc for Bucky rather than have him largely act as Sam's sidekick), What If has some problems with power level inconsistencies, and Loki was a complete mess.

That's just my personal ranking.

Okey Dokey!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#136417: Oct 30th 2021 at 10:13:35 AM

I've only watched Loki and I really liked it

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136418: Oct 30th 2021 at 10:19:22 AM

...I should've realized this would've lead to Nintendo jokes. That's on me.

[up][up] I agree that WandaVision is definitely the best Disney Plus show presented for Marvel so far, and I'm glad it was the very first one we got. It does have some flaws, but I loved the meta mystery feel we got watching the whole thing. Also, the period-centric were both super fun and utterly terrifying, which I love.

FATWS was pretty good, but I do agree it needed more episodes. Also felt that Zemo should've done a few more villainous things aside from being a Friendly Enemy. But I loved the Power Broker twist, and the whole thing surrounding Sam becoming Cap.

I actually like Loki a lot. I do think the romance between Sylvie and Loki was kinda forced and inorganic, but I loved the visuals, the TVA, and the idea of Variants that get explored in What If. I will say What If is probably my least favorite, if only because the episode lengths are far too short.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 30th 2021 at 10:19:44 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#136419: Oct 30th 2021 at 10:32:31 AM

I finally got through to marathoning the Disney + stuff with my dad over the last month and I think as of right now my ranking goes: Loki > What-If > Wandavision > Falcon and Winter Soldier.

I don't dislike any of them but Falcon and Winter Soldier definitely needed a couple more episodes at the least and I'm no the biggest fan of Sharon being a bad guy now but I also really, really liked the stuff with Sam and the focus on the bigotry that would come about from him being Captain America yet him still choosing to stand up and do what's right because that's what Captain America really represents. Plus his big speech at the end is one of the best in the MCU. Zemo was a delight and I really liked John Walker's saga.

Wandavision's sitcom format was really fun for me as someone who, with older parents, have gotten to witness all the eras represented in the show proper. Plus it did some very unnerving things with that format and unlike many, I don't thing it declined too much when it went out of the sitcom format, and I also understand why Monica said what he did to Wanda and how it doesn't necessarily make her forgiven, just that one person in the entire world could emphasize with her struggle over grief.

What-If was a delight overall even if a couple episodes had some pacing issues. It just feels so good to have Uatu onscreen for I want to say the first time since the 90s F4 show, and they portrayed him perfectly. Ignoring the final episode, my favorite to least favorite what-ifs were: 4 > 8 > 7 > 6 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 5

Loki took a moment to take-off for me since the second episode was kind a little boring in the middle, but once it got going it just didn't stop. There was this powerful dedication to the theme of fighting against what we've always let ourselves be seen as throughout on top of the theme of defying against fate. Owen Wilson delivered a surprisingly powerful performance as Mobius but goddamn did Tom Hiddleston steal the show as Loki, somehow managing to give us a fresh but still nuance and developed take on the Trickster God post-Infinity War and this being the only show that I'd say ends on a downright Downer note feels earned but also makes me look forward to seeing him survive and overcome it next season.

As a quick aside for Loki, I really don't get how people fail to see the point of the Sacred Timeline. I hear people arguing the TVA should've been pruning the timelines from What-Ifs, but the show both made it clear that Nexus Points don't crop up during apocalypses and that ultimately He Who Remains was trying to prevent possibilities that lead to other Kangs besides himself. And there was plenty of What-Ifs where the world basically ended or are so far shifted away from the Sacred Timeline that Kang probably can't be born, which does have some interesting implications. Of course, it could also mean What-If takes place after Loki but then what the heck was Uatu doing before then?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136420: Oct 30th 2021 at 12:32:41 PM

Huh ya know it’s interesting to to know that in the comics Star Lord is now bisexual and sorta has a polymerous thing going on by with Nova and Gamora.

I thought if the movie version could be bi too and I realized in order for that to happen MCU Quill needs to be able to be capable of forming friendships with attractive males without feeling immediately emasculated.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136421: Oct 30th 2021 at 12:41:00 PM

[up][up] I guess Uatu and the Watchers just watched soap operas, wondering what would happen if Justin didn't marry Marlene.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 30th 2021 at 12:41:08 PM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#136422: Oct 30th 2021 at 12:47:34 PM

I thought it was clear that What-If was the direct follow-up of Loki's ending. Loki's ending creating the multiverse directly led into What-If happening as a show. That's why Uatu says "these vast new realities" in the opening.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 30th 2021 at 12:48:42 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#136423: Oct 30th 2021 at 12:52:01 PM

MCU Quill-Gamora-Deadpool

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136424: Oct 30th 2021 at 12:56:09 PM

[up] I'd love to see Deadpool knock Quill down a few pegs off his high horse...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#136425: Oct 30th 2021 at 12:57:14 PM

Life has knocked him down several pegs at this point. He's basically at the very bottom of the stack of wood that is this metaphor, crushed underneath the weight of all these goddamn pegs.

The legend has returned.

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