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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#136351: Oct 28th 2021 at 7:58:05 AM

No idea if deliberate, but I find it amusing how the comics version of Ghost is basically what Rorschach of Watchmen would be like if he was a leftist instead of a conservative.

While I do like Ghost in the movie, I do think it's too bad that the comics version wasn't followed more closely. Because in light of Scott's Just Like Robin Hood antics against his former employer, a somewhat sympathetic anticorporate terrorist would be a good Evil Counterpart.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#136352: Oct 28th 2021 at 8:57:56 AM

New Hawkeye Trailer. A couple new scenes, but nothing major that hasn't already been given away by the previous trailers.

I think this one was leaked about a week ago, but now it's out officially.

Also I'm right there with you Kate Bishop, if I was working with an Avenger, I'd be telling everyone too. Including random strangers in the elevator.

Edited by Falrinn on Oct 28th 2021 at 9:04:41 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#136353: Oct 28th 2021 at 9:34:59 AM

[up][up] I guess they figured they'd already done their Evil Counterpart quota for the Antman movies with Cross.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136354: Oct 28th 2021 at 9:48:41 AM

[up] And the fact that he's actually coming back for Quantumania probably means making Ghost comic-accurate would make them fall into the "asshole in a suit" clique that has already plagued a lot of earlier MCU films.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136355: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:03:50 AM

I think the real question for Clint is where his hearing loss starts. I want to think they'll have it be that all the explosions in Endgame are what did it. He showed no signs of it when, say, that Ultron sentry kamikaze attacked him and Wanda in Age of Ultron, or when Tony fired missiles at him and Wanda during the airport battle in Civil War. But there were way more explosions during Endgame, between Thanos carpet-bombing the Compound at the very start (Clint was caught in the middle of that one), and the later carpet-bombing he ordered when Wanda attacked him.

Okey Dokey!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136356: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:13:49 AM

[up] I'm willing to bet it was Thanos's attack on the Avengers facility as well. That can't be good for your hearing.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#136357: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:19:51 AM

I'd imagine that they'll say it just got progressively worse over his 11 years as a superhero. He's just a normal man trying to keep up with gods, super soldiers and androids and it took a toll.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#136359: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:30:59 AM

That’s amazing

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#136360: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:42:39 AM

Have you ever been so mad that you beat a !@#@$$ with another !@#$%!?

Wanda Maximoff has.....though she never got the chance to follow through.

One Strip! One Strip!
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136361: Oct 28th 2021 at 10:49:03 AM

Just noticed that the concept art has Thanos still wearing his helmet, which he shed earlier in the battle.

Okey Dokey!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136362: Oct 28th 2021 at 11:30:28 AM

@Handsome Rob Apparently so, I’m checking his page and I found this bit.

Black-and-White Insanity: He thinks in binary terms. Stark, as a rich person, is bad. However, during their fight in Thunderbolts, Tony reveals he is, at that point, broke. Since Stark is no longer rich, he's no longer "the enemy", and Ghost stops attacking him.

Plus these other bits that delve into his general motives.

"Vigilante Man: Ghost destroys corporations or secret groups he deems evil without payment because he feels that the law itself is too corrupt to go after them. Ghost is willing to work with those organization, but plans to destroy them from within.

Well-Intentioned Extremist: Ghost believes that by destroying the government and corporatist structures, the world will be set free."

Okay shit I’m disappointed the movie didn’t use some of this, it’s a pretty cool motivation honestly. Especially since he has apparently received a lot of hidden depths and nobility after his tenure on Thunderbolts making him a fairly well-rounded character.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 28th 2021 at 1:46:22 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#136363: Oct 28th 2021 at 1:43:45 PM

Ghost being comics-innacurate doesn't bother me nearly as much as Taskmaster because I at least like the MCU version of Ghost on her own merits; she's just a really good antagonist with a lot of personality compared to MCU Taskmaster. Of course, I wouldn't mind seeing a comics-accurate Ghost appear some day.

Anyway, have an alternate take of the final Snap from Endgame:

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Oct 28th 2021 at 4:44:13 AM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#136364: Oct 28th 2021 at 1:45:16 PM

The Gunslinger is already overpowered without Infinity Stones, Valve plz nerf. tongue

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#136365: Oct 28th 2021 at 1:49:08 PM

Valve heard you and added hats

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136366: Oct 28th 2021 at 1:49:53 PM

Ooooh thats a stellar Thanos model.

[up][up][up] I do hope Ghost appears in a Thunderbolts movie. A lot of potential for here there.

Plus ya know it be fun to have a female character be the gross freaky little weirdo for once. I really wanna see Hannah John-Kamen just have the time of her life playing a total nutjob.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 28th 2021 at 1:55:10 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#136367: Oct 28th 2021 at 2:17:46 PM

Yeah, I've never liked how female characters are seldom allowed to be gross freaky little weirdos in media, or really any sort of goofball character outside of one very specific "quirky girl" stereotype.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136368: Oct 28th 2021 at 2:31:42 PM

Can Agatha Harkness be on the Thunderbolts?

Okey Dokey!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136369: Oct 28th 2021 at 2:53:20 PM

I think Agatha would rather make fun of the Thunderbolts than join them.

I also want Ghost to join the Thunderbolts, if only so we find out what happened to her after Infinity War happened. Also, I'm curious to see what Val would say about her. Hannah-John Karmen is also a great actress, and Ghost could use some character development.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136370: Oct 28th 2021 at 3:22:45 PM

[up][up][up] Huh there is a trope for that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136371: Oct 28th 2021 at 4:56:42 PM
Thumped: Please see The Rules . This is a warning that this post is the sort of thing that will get you suspended.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136373: Oct 28th 2021 at 5:02:35 PM

Looks like Marvel Studio's veteran visual concept artist is leaving to make some kind of NFT series for Dolphin Entertainment.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#136374: Oct 28th 2021 at 5:04:56 PM

That's disappointing to learn when NF Ts aka non-fungible tokens are scams

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#136375: Oct 28th 2021 at 5:07:54 PM

I don't see Agatha on a Thunderbolts team. Even putting aside the fact that the only person who know she exists and isn't just a random lady named Agnes is Wanda, she's running in a pretty different circle. She's part of the mystic circle alongside Wanda and Doctor Strange, the other good Thunderbolts candidates are all in the technology/conspiracy circle.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

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