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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#136276: Oct 27th 2021 at 1:36:40 PM

That wouldn’t work because Gamora “vanished” from the alternate 2014 as well, and Mad Titan Gamora was implied to have killed Thanos which she couldn’t have done if he disappeared.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136277: Oct 27th 2021 at 1:37:43 PM

Oh shit you're right. I forgot that Gamora vanished.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#136278: Oct 27th 2021 at 1:53:51 PM

I would like all of the alternative timelines of Endgame explored at some point. Alternate 2014 is the one I'd most expect to actually get adapted. But the timeline Steve settled with Peggy in has got to be interesting. Issue is it's probably considered mythology too important for What If, given that it would be fleshing out experiences had by a Sacred Timeline character.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136280: Oct 27th 2021 at 2:04:52 PM

[up][up] Well, we can't have the alternate 2012 timeline explored because it's been pruned. No word on 2013, but if Steve managed to fix everything, it might be able to continue on its way without being pruned. 2014 is up in the air, but I'd definitely be down to see it if it wasn't pruned by the TVA.

I am curious about the alternate 1940s timeline Steve went into though. It seems to be on the grounds for a proper TVA pruning. But considering how weirdly time flows in the TVA + the Void + the Citadel, it's entirely possible that the multiverse might've come into formation already by the time Steve returned to be with Peggy.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#136281: Oct 27th 2021 at 2:05:24 PM

[up][up] I mean, it's not like they'd have any reason to want to go back to the past anyway. If they had lived back then, had loved ones and a life they lost going to the future, they might have an interest in going back, in spite of the horrible problems in society.

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#136282: Oct 27th 2021 at 2:13:54 PM

Bucky does the return trip and he comes right back because he remembers that the 40's were not a great time to be gay. tongue

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#136283: Oct 27th 2021 at 2:33:26 PM

[up] When it comes to time travel, the Buck stops here.

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#136284: Oct 27th 2021 at 2:33:58 PM

Stupid question: with the reveal in TFATWS that Sharon Carter is the Power Broker, do you think that Zemo's infiltration of the black site in CACW to brainwash Bucky was an inside job?

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136285: Oct 27th 2021 at 2:38:07 PM

[up] Forgive me, which black site are you referring to? Is it a land site or on the internet?

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#136286: Oct 27th 2021 at 2:43:22 PM

They're referring to the black site where the rest of the winter soldiers were stored

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#136287: Oct 27th 2021 at 2:48:46 PM

I think TFATWS was pretty clear that she didn't become the Power Broker until after she had to go on the run.

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#136288: Oct 27th 2021 at 2:57:52 PM

But the timing of everything makes it seem like Sharon was dirty at the time of Civil War.

Like aunt like niece, I guess. After all, Peggy is complicit in all the various atrocities Zola committed to Bucky by letting Zola join SHIELD. And Howard even had a friendly nickname (“Arnie”) for a scientist who should’ve been tried at Nuremberg and sentenced to hang for his war crimes. (And they didn't just did this with Zola; the same thing was true of Wernher Von Braun, Kurt Blome, Frederick Vought, etc.)

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136289: Oct 27th 2021 at 3:03:53 PM

...I think there's a pretty big difference between fucking up by letting Zola join S.H.I.E.L.D and willingly becoming a crimelord out of spite...

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#136290: Oct 27th 2021 at 3:57:24 PM

It’s interesting that we don’t really get to see why Sharon helped Steve and Sam in Civil War. Because from how things are framed, this wasn’t about her helping Steve fight the Accords, it was more about protecting Bucky. Was she doing it because she’s also Steve’s “friend”? Or was there something more?

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#136291: Oct 27th 2021 at 4:02:08 PM

Well, they obviously were trying to set up a romance between Steve and Sharon, but... y'know...

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#136292: Oct 27th 2021 at 4:38:25 PM

Even outside of the romance, she's the one that's given Steve's "No you move" speech from the comics. It's clear enough IMO that she doesn't like the Accords herself but she's neither initially targeted nor has the means to take it down herself. She's a spy, so she helps out the way a spy can: by grabbing intel and resources under the radar.

It's also heavily implied that her giving Rogers the shield is what put her on the run, and it's this combined with the Avengers ultimately not coming back for her that corrupts her into the Power Broker.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136293: Oct 27th 2021 at 4:43:39 PM

Man, that kinda gives a layer of tragedy to Sharon. She was the one who gave that speech, and yet she ended up "moving" herself.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#136294: Oct 27th 2021 at 4:47:03 PM

WTF they cut out Steve's famous speech against Thanos but gave his other famous speech to fucking Sharon of all characters.

Jesus Christ man.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#136295: Oct 27th 2021 at 4:51:20 PM

Technically they gave it to Peggy.

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#136296: Oct 27th 2021 at 4:51:44 PM

To be fair, the Thanos speech is presented visually without having to actually say it, which I actually quite like in a Show, Don't Tell kind of fashion.

Edited by lbssb on Oct 27th 2021 at 4:52:31 AM

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#136298: Oct 27th 2021 at 5:09:34 PM

[up][up] It's also a nice contrast to how Thanos speaks quite a mouthful just to say "I really want to kill you all".

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136299: Oct 27th 2021 at 5:29:08 PM

So with the official confirmation of the villains appearing in No Way Home, thats an antagonist from every previous non-MCU movie.

Green Goblin: Spider-Man 1

Doctor Octopus: Spider-Man 2

Sandman: Spider-Man 3

The Lizard: The Amazing Spider-Man 1

Electro: The Amazing Spider-Man 2

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#136300: Oct 27th 2021 at 6:14:32 PM

It can't be stated enough that we can only hope that this time they're going to try to avoid the "too many villains" issues that plagued the last installments of the last two Spider-Man franchises. Into the Spider-Verse does show it can be done, making most of the Sinister Six act as Wilson Fisk's henchmen. But movies with multiple villains must toe a fine line, as seen with the fact that most of the 90s' Batman films had this problem where the villains combined to have more screentime than Batman (even if we all liked Jack Nicholson's Joker). And Spider-Man 3 was also criticized for having too many villains between New Goblin, Sandman and Venom.note 

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