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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#136151: Oct 25th 2021 at 7:06:07 PM

So, I got a copy of The Story of Marvel Studios, and I've reached the point in 2014 where they unveiled the entire Phase Three slate, and something strikes me as funny.

This book has a ton of build-up. Like, they made mention of getting Scott Derrickson for Dr. Strange, casting Chadwick Boseman, negotiating for Spider-Man, and even mentions of projects that were pitched but never got off the ground, like movies for Runaways, Moon Knight, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist.

And yet, as far as I can tell, despite reaching the Phase Three announcement, there was not one single mention of Inhumans leading up to this moment. [lol]

jdeo1997 BLADE Pathfinders from Orion–Cygnus Arm Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#136152: Oct 25th 2021 at 7:17:10 PM

To be fair, Inhumans was only going to be a thing because Perlmutter really wanted to screw Fo X-Men and held Black Panther and Captain Marvel hostage with it. And then once the MCU was split from the Creative Committee's control and Fiege dropped the project he didn't want to do at all, Perlmutter was spiteful and continued through via TV series, producing the worst-received part of the MCU in a lovely bout of Karma, all for reasons that were moot following the Fox Buyout.

So it makes sense to not include Inhumans much, as it seems to be Perlmutter's pet project for the MCU because he wanted to fuck over the X-Men

Edited by jdeo1997 on Oct 26th 2021 at 7:19:31 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136153: Oct 25th 2021 at 7:24:45 PM

Oh God imagine if that separation hadn't happened.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#136154: Oct 25th 2021 at 7:29:40 PM

I actually kinda feel sorry for the Inhumans. Yeah, they had their own flaws that probably could have been fixed by a proper adaptation, but because Permulter used them as the bullet in the gun against the X-men, they're now radioactive.

It's especially sad for the nu-humans who came about, since the royal family, Moon-Girl and Kamala were spared, while the rest of them got rekt even though they did nothing wrong.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#136155: Oct 25th 2021 at 7:31:28 PM

They could have been a spite adaptation and still a good adaptation.

A lot of things motivated by spite have turned out to be good.

But: make it out of spite, make it fast, and make it cheap precluded making it good.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136156: Oct 25th 2021 at 7:33:14 PM

Indeed what truly destroyed the Inhumans was that Perlmutter was a cheap bastard.

A real life Mr. Krabs.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136157: Oct 25th 2021 at 7:45:50 PM

You could really say the lengths he went to for money and his own vanity projects made him...inhuman.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 25th 2021 at 7:46:01 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#136158: Oct 25th 2021 at 7:51:24 PM

I will say though, Marvel Studios' refusal to tackle anything Inhuman related might start biting them in the ass if they start to use more characters related to them, even tangentially in the future. Especially when it comes to Kamala Khan. Yes, Inhumans was bad and it would be significantly better if we pretended it didn't exist. But if people really do care about her comic book origins being included in her MCU equivalent's backstory, then well...Marvel avoiding the Inhumans like the plague will ensure that's not happening anytime soon.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#136159: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:04:48 PM

Its notable that a big huge difference between previous Marvel TV stuff and the Disney+ stuff is Marvel throwing budget into the current crop of shows.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136160: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:08:56 PM

[up] I can't tell if Perlmutter is fuming over them now deciding to spend money on the shows or fuming cause he is against spending so much money at all. tongue

On another note, the new Guardians of the Galaxy game is out and yes of course the characters are a 1:1 representation of the MCU crew.

Not to sure how to feel how every time the Guardians appear now its just an aggressive regurgitation of Gunn's team.

Like poor Drax he gets the worst of it. He is always this mindless dumbass who can't understand metaphors. Its like they don't even try with the guy.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 25th 2021 at 8:09:59 AM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#136161: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:10:30 PM

The fundamental problem of the Inhumans push, more than anything else, was that they tried to take down the X-Men. Make the Inhumans more prominent, bolster their numbers, have regular people be secret Inhumans, no one gives a shit on its own. The problem was they tried to take down the X-Men, one of the largest and most beloved corners of the Marvel Universe. That's what makes the Inhumans as an IP radioactive, the stigma where people will only ever think of all that time Marvel tried in vain to bury Wolverine.

Which sucks because, like, we're a week away from getting a 2.5 hour movie about the goddamn Eternals. The Inhumans are fine, the Royal Family's legitimately interesting albeit with a couple issues that a proper adaptation would for sure iron out. It's worth keeping them and expanding them. And God forbid not everything revolves around mutants for a change. [lol]

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#136162: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:14:38 PM

I'll note that the X-Men still had more books than the Inhumans. They were doing just fine in the comics book. What did happen was that they got removed from marketing and merchandising.

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PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Pizza is my business
#136163: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:42:32 PM

Yeah the replacement thing was a bit overblown in relation to the comics. It really boiled down to the x-men having 5-7 books at a time instead of 8-12, and the Inhumans having 3-4 instead of 0-1. Still far better than the FF, who dropped to zero for a bit there

The weirdest thing about the merchandise thing was that even Wolverine wasn’t safe. I’ve got a jigsaw puzzle from that era and I’ll never get used to it having Karnak but not Wolverine

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136164: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:47:40 PM

And of course the most infamous case being the last Marvel vs Capcom game having no X-Men, neither did the last Lego Marvel game.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#136165: Oct 25th 2021 at 9:28:08 PM

They seem to have finally started breaking out of that a while ago. You can tell where the line was drawn, in that Ultimate Alliance: Black Order featured none of the MCU fixation, whereas the Squeenix Avengers game - which even though it came out later, went into production earlier - totally does.

They're also lessening on the MCU focus in their animated shows a bit. Marvel's Spider-Man was less of an "adjacent to our MCU vehicle" show than Ultimate Spider-Man eventually became, though it still inherited some of Ultimate Spider-Man's problems. We're also getting bonkers stuff like MODOK, Hit-Monkey and Moon Girl, whereas the last gen of Marvel show was nothing but MCU tie-ins.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136166: Oct 26th 2021 at 12:03:39 AM

I do hope we never use that art-style that was used in Avengers Assemble and Guardians of the Galaxy. Some hideous stuff especially due to the bizarre color filter.

What the Hell was this? Its like Zack Snyder directed it.

https://mediaproxy.tvtropes.org/width/350/https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/guardians_of_the_galaxy_2015.jpg

How is the live-action movie more colorful than the cartoon?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#136167: Oct 26th 2021 at 12:08:53 AM

Shame the default art style for the Guardians cartoon looked so meh, because the art shifts for the episodes where the Guardians fell into a Disney Princess tale/a comic book/an old 30s cartoon/claymation world/8-bit video game looked pretty great.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#136168: Oct 26th 2021 at 5:36:49 AM

The fact that Earth's Mightiest Heroes was killed unceremoniously for the sake of Avengers Assemble still hurts.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#136169: Oct 26th 2021 at 6:56:28 AM

[up]x4: The actual period of "MCU for everything" is honestly very small, only a few years at most. What it makes it feel so major is that period was enough to irreversibly alter the direction of several major multimedia projects, from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to the entire Marvel Disney XD block to high-profile video games like MvCI and Squeenix Avengers.

Avengers is particularly egregious because "AAA" games like that now take like 5-7 years of development, which only highlights how volatile the whole landscape actually is. Like legit by the time it actually came out GotG had already adapted out whatever GaaS plans it might've had and the gaming industry was already back to pumping out in celebration the very characters Avengers wasn't allowed to touch.

Edited by Watchtower on Oct 26th 2021 at 9:57:20 AM

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#136170: Oct 26th 2021 at 7:44:40 AM

How is the live-action movie more colorful than the cartoon?

I do find it ironic that the actual MCU-connected animated series has the most colorful output.

Furthermore, in spite of of its Audience-Coloring Adaptation influences, the recently released GotG game is surprisingly well-received.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Oct 26th 2021 at 10:52:00 AM

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#136171: Oct 26th 2021 at 7:56:15 AM

I hope with the GOTG game being a success we get more.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136172: Oct 26th 2021 at 8:08:34 AM

I just want an open world Marvel game where you can choose to stay on Earth or go to space and do awesome things in both

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Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#136173: Oct 26th 2021 at 8:10:16 AM

I don't know if its strange but all the mixed to negative reviews for The Eternals is actually making me more interested to watch it rather than the opposite.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#136174: Oct 26th 2021 at 8:14:44 AM

X Men, Avengers, or Fantastic Four could all plausibly serve that game

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136175: Oct 26th 2021 at 8:18:49 AM

[up] Why not all three in one game? Let's go big!

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