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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136126: Oct 25th 2021 at 9:53:39 AM

I'm not all that upset about it either. If anything, I'm kinda confused as to why so many people were pissed off. And this is coming from a guy who was a big fan of the Foxmen as well.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#136127: Oct 25th 2021 at 9:54:53 AM

I'd get it if it was, like, super in-your-face, in the vein of the sitcom parody jokes from all throughout the show. But it wasn't. It barely even registered as a joke.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136128: Oct 25th 2021 at 10:01:24 AM

I think it was the runaway fan theorists who were unhappy that all their ideas turned out to be for naught. Which I understand, but c'mon.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136129: Oct 25th 2021 at 10:08:30 AM

On an unrelated note, I read all the spoiler marked entries about Kamala. Honestly, given how little I know about the character, I don't really have too much of an opinion about how her powers work. It does seem that they're changing it a bit to look similar to Monica and Carol's powers, so as to make her look similar to them. Which if true, would be pretty ironic given how people were complaining how the change to avoid much like Reed Richards was pointless.

Really, I just hope the character will be an interesting person. Like I said before, I'm fine with her being an in-universe fan of Captain Marvel who wants to be like her, but I just hope she doesn't come across as an ineffectual Loony Fan who causes more problems than she solves because she wants to be Carol so bad. One of my big Pet-Peeve Trope character archetypes is an Unintentionally Unsympathetic Idiot Hero who is framed as someone to root for.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#136130: Oct 25th 2021 at 10:23:24 AM

The Disney Wish Cruise Ship will have an special Summer 2022 dining experience known as "Avengers Quantum Encounter". It will feature Brie Larson (Captain Marvel), Paul Rudd (Ant-Man), Anthony Mackie (Captain America) and Evangeline Lilly (Wasp) reprising to face off against Ultron (played by Ross Marquand, reprising from What If…? (2021)). F.R.I.D.A.Y. is also helping out, with Kerry Condon reprising.

The show will follow Ant-Man and The Wasp as they host a presentation of the most powerful Super Hero technologies in the world, including a hands-on demonstration of the latest and greatest Pym Tech. But when Ultron turns up with an army of robot sentries eager to take control of this world-changing technology, Ant-Man and The Wasp will need all the help they can get to save the day – calling on Captain America, Captain Marvel and even the brave diners of the Disney Wish for back-up. Oh, and there’s one more Super Hero who will make a surprise appearance during the show.

To bring this action-packed spectacle to life, Disney Cruise Line have specially designed the restaurant with immersive cinematic technology, including hundreds of screens and special effects embedded throughout. Filming with the actors has already wrapped and they are now working on the post-production editing and effects. Because most of the battle takes place on the upper decks of the ship, they are re-creating it in photo-realistic CGI while the real Disney Wish is still under construction.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136131: Oct 25th 2021 at 10:38:20 AM

I think it was the runaway fan theorists who were unhappy that all their ideas turned out to be for naught.

Which is going to happen with DSMOM too, to be honest.

Edited by dmcreif on Oct 25th 2021 at 2:09:35 PM

Okey Dokey!
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#136132: Oct 25th 2021 at 1:28:03 PM

[up][up] Ah shit, now I got to get on a cruise ship to keep up with the MCU's canon. sad

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136133: Oct 25th 2021 at 3:10:59 PM

Let's be clear, just because Multiverse of Madness has to undergo some reshoots isn't a red flag that the movie's going to be bad. After all, every Marvel project has reshoots scheduled from the get-go, so it means nothing, contrary to what a lot of people online seem to think.

Of course, there's a part of me that also thinks "Well, duh, these reshoots are kinda necessary considering that the leaks just sound awful." Or more accurately, the leaks are kinda weird because not a single one of the leaks to date has anything to do with Doctor Strange and make him sound like a secondary character in his own film (which is partly the reason I personally believe the "leaks" are just bad fanfiction).

Okey Dokey!
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#136134: Oct 25th 2021 at 3:14:30 PM

Most big projects nowadays do reshoots, oftentimes for mundane reasons like "the blocking in this fight scene is weird". This is normal and does not mean anything unless you are trying to whip yourself up.

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 25th 2021 at 5:16:10 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#136135: Oct 25th 2021 at 3:16:47 PM

[up][up]It's kind of weird to say "let's be clear X doesn't mean Y" when absolutely no one here was saying that it does.

You're bringing up something just to rebut it when you could just...not bring it up?

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136136: Oct 25th 2021 at 3:24:22 PM

Sorry, I've been seeing too many people in other corners of the Internet treat the announcement of reshoots like it's a bad thing, and I can sorta get it given certain movies like Rogue One and Solo. sad waii So I'm probably just venting.

Okey Dokey!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136137: Oct 25th 2021 at 3:26:03 PM

Huh continuing my Kirby read and turns out Kingo isn'5 just a weeb, he actually is a movie star. When he first appears, Margo the human companion of Ikaris recognizes him as a famous Japanese movie star.

Also get this, Ikaris is pffffft of the North. No seriously, he is an Eternal who hails from the Polar Mountains where shit is bleak and gentle hearts are not bred.

And whose currently playing Ikaris, why the good old King in the North. [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136138: Oct 25th 2021 at 3:27:36 PM

Good one! Good one! [lol]

Okey Dokey!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#136139: Oct 25th 2021 at 4:34:02 PM

EDIT

Edited by comicwriter on Oct 25th 2021 at 5:50:38 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#136141: Oct 25th 2021 at 5:55:50 PM

The Disney Wish Cruise Ship will have an special Summer 2022 dining experience known as "Avengers Quantum Encounter". It will feature Brie Larson (Captain Marvel), Paul Rudd (Ant-Man), Anthony Mackie (Captain America) and Evangeline Lilly (Wasp) reprising to face off against Ultron (played by Ross Marquand, reprising from What If...? (2021)). F.R.I.D.A.Y. is also helping out, with Kerry Condon reprising.

James Spader must really have zero interest in returning to this franchise. Not that I blame him.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136142: Oct 25th 2021 at 6:03:00 PM

[up] Yeah, I'm just waiting for a report to come out that explains his disillusionment with Ultron to come out...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136143: Oct 25th 2021 at 6:04:05 PM

I'm assuming another Whedon horror story

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#136144: Oct 25th 2021 at 6:09:27 PM

Hey look!

Someone decoded the weird text from that Quantumania logo with the big hoops!

Sure enough, the hoopy thingies appear to definitely spell out Quantumania. (And speculate that it might be an example of how the alphabet looks in Kang's time.)

(Side note: who still can't believe that Kang the Conqueror is coming soon? And in a freaking movie about freaking Ant-Man and the Wasp?!)

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136145: Oct 25th 2021 at 6:10:02 PM

Wow. I just realized that Spader hasn't had any movie roles since Age of Ultron. Nothing indie or blockbuster. It just stops. Guess he's really just been working on nothing but The Blacklist for all these years.

I wonder if I should check it out...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136146: Oct 25th 2021 at 6:11:29 PM

My mom is actually watching that now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136147: Oct 25th 2021 at 6:12:48 PM

[up] I have a buddy who, until kinda recently, was a huge fan of the show. Like, he absolutely loves it. I will say the concept is kinda cool, so I'm definitely interested.

A shame Spader didn't come back for What If though. His voice for the character was amazing.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#136148: Oct 25th 2021 at 6:22:09 PM

The Quantumania logo looks like that nonsense word by Yondu.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#136149: Oct 25th 2021 at 6:56:59 PM

[up][up]I love the blacklist and if anything you can make a superhero version of it specially since many baddies of the week are only know by their alies(the alchetmist, the stewmaker,the scimitar, etc), it would be easy to see how crimne interact with superheroic world

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Pizza is my business
#136150: Oct 25th 2021 at 6:58:19 PM

In fairness to Spader, I can 100% understand reprising a voice role from 6 years ago for cruise ship only presentation to not be that appealing, especially when he doesn’t have any ongoing involvement in the franchise like the others.

Considering how few actually survive their movie, I’d imagine a lot of the actors who played MCU villains were only signed on to one movie contracts, with zero expectation of (or seemingly interest in) returning. It’s a lot easier to sign someone up for side stuff like this or What If if it’s a package deal with further starring roles in the future, which is the case for the heroes confirmed to be involved.


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