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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#136001: Oct 23rd 2021 at 8:04:18 PM

[up] He's not in yet, but he will be soon.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#136002: Oct 23rd 2021 at 8:26:55 PM

Yeah, but they don’t seem concerned that some of the Eternals have powers just like the Justice League, or all the other cases of similar powers.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#136003: Oct 23rd 2021 at 8:42:17 PM

That's the competition, so they don't need to worry about these characters sharing screen space or advertising space and so on. Also, superspeed / laser eyes / super strength / etc are comparatively easy to animate.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 23rd 2021 at 8:43:08 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136004: Oct 23rd 2021 at 8:47:54 PM

There is the distinction of Kamala premiering in a multi-episode TV show while Reed only needs to debut up in a single movie.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136005: Oct 23rd 2021 at 9:41:40 PM

Ahh, so many spoiler text I'm too scared to read

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#136006: Oct 23rd 2021 at 11:16:30 PM

Pretty sure it's for budgetary/CGI-will-make-this-power-look-really-janky reasons. As long as the comics aren't forced to Be Like The Movies (or well, TV Show in this case), I can deal with it. With mild grumbling. It's a decent enough way to work around how Uncanny Valley limb stretching/enlarging powers can look in live-action.

Edited by DeathsApprentice on Oct 23rd 2021 at 2:16:47 PM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#136007: Oct 23rd 2021 at 11:37:16 PM

Is this a leak or an official poster release? If it's the latter, I see no reason to keep using spoiler tags.

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The One Who Knows Many Things
#136009: Oct 24th 2021 at 4:11:37 AM

[up]x2 A leak, according to Akirakan.

Edited by jouXIII on Oct 24th 2021 at 2:12:06 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#136010: Oct 24th 2021 at 4:17:44 AM

Even in the comics the stretching powers can look kind of weird. The Maker, an evil alternate universe Reed Richards, takes this to Humanoid Abomination levels since he's already given up the pretense of humanity.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#136011: Oct 24th 2021 at 4:49:39 AM

I am more bummed out Armor won't be adapted because Kamala took her power.

Just Makima.
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#136012: Oct 24th 2021 at 6:56:56 AM

Budgetary reasons makes the most sense but it's also kinda infuriating tbh. One because it validates the kind of "have to paint a bodybuilder green" crap takes as if Disney doesn't have all the money, two because it means the main reason why she's getting her powers so drastically changed is because they just so happened to decide to not give her a movie.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136013: Oct 24th 2021 at 7:00:27 AM

Huh it’s prolly also a way to more unify or relate her with Carol and Monica. Since both of them have energy based powers they maybe thought that Kamala should too especially since she’s set to star alongside them in Captain Marvel 2.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 24th 2021 at 7:00:49 AM

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#136014: Oct 24th 2021 at 7:54:53 AM

I get why they changed it. I saw Fantastic Four (2015) and Reed's powers were incredibly Uncanny Valley. Also Squick.

Funny, I remember that one of the plans for that reboot was to emphasize on the body horror of the team's incident and powers. Seeing as the final film also emphasizes Ben, Johnny and Sue's situations in a similar way, that might have been intentional.


[up] That's what I think is the likely reason. I hate the idea of that Kamala's powers were changed to due Reed, because no other adaptation sharing the two has dealt with such a bizarre notion before. It doesn't help that Reed hasn't even been adapted on screen yet, so why place an unusual burden on an earlier character?

Admittedly, I'm also a little confused on possible budgetary concern. Barring any concerns about the Uncanny Valley, Arrowverse managed to adapt the Enlongated Man decent enough on much cheaper budgets.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#136015: Oct 24th 2021 at 10:06:53 AM

I will say the one place where the change might weaken her story is an early subplot centers around Kamala transforming herself to look exactly like Carol Danvers, reflecting the cultural status quo of majority white superheroes until Kamala manages to grow past her insecurity about her own body. Who knows if that’s still doable or not with these projection powers.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136016: Oct 24th 2021 at 11:21:08 AM

Are all these spoiler posts about Eternals by any chance? Just curious what all the fun discussion is all about...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#136017: Oct 24th 2021 at 11:24:51 AM

The spoilers are about a Kamala Khan leak

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#136018: Oct 24th 2021 at 11:29:08 AM

Ah, I see. Interesting.

Are we happy or unhappy with it?

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Funny but not helpful
#136019: Oct 24th 2021 at 11:30:44 AM

It’s a range from disappointment to cautious optimism

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136020: Oct 24th 2021 at 1:45:41 PM

In light of the recent book that came out about the story of Marvel Studios, it's interesting to read that for Captain America: Civil War, the Marvel Creative Committee actually wanted the Avengers to reunite for the final showdown against Zemo and the Winter Soldiers, but the Russos plus Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely disagreed.

My thought on the matter is that while the committee's proposed ending would've made Civil War more effectively Avengers 3 than a Captain America film, it also would've been a slightly less anti-climactic way to end the storyline with the other Winter Soldiers than "Zemo shot them all dead in cryo". Having the characters coming together at the end, and fighting the Winter Soldiers would also maybe have been a decent way to integrate Scott, T'Challa, and Peter into the team. Also, an ending where everyone overcomes their differences and proves Zemo wrong (because that's what heroes are supposed to do) would still have emotional weight. The message that love and friendship save the day would have been particularly poignant considering that it's Zemo's loss of his family that drove him down this path of vengeance.

As a bonus, there probably wouldn't be the amount of polarizing discourse on social media we have here where people are divided into "team Cap" and "team Iron Man" camps.

Edited by dmcreif on Oct 24th 2021 at 4:46:11 AM

Okey Dokey!
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#136021: Oct 24th 2021 at 1:50:13 PM

But the comic ending wasn't a happy ending though.

Just Makima.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#136022: Oct 24th 2021 at 1:51:54 PM

I'm really against changing the powers of the characters, it kinda sets a potentially ugly precedent. Its kinda a level above changing Taskmaster's powers from being a physical superpower to a vague ability apparently coming from her suit. I mean sure Wenwu's rings are different than they normally are and are pretty cool but not every case is like that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#136023: Oct 24th 2021 at 1:54:38 PM

I saw this good theory lately that suggested O.T. Fagbenle was originally Taskmaster and it was changed to Antonia Dreykov in rewrites.

Okey Dokey!
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#136024: Oct 24th 2021 at 1:55:25 PM

I'm cautiously optimistic. It looks like Khamala's powers work as usual, her embiggened body parts just loose their human skin tone when doing do. Which probably lessens the squick factor. It also still allows her to do her initial story arc of hiding her skin colour before overcoming it, by switching to embiggening her hands rather than applying the heu to her entire body.

Regarding Civil War "lets you and him fight" immediately followed by a team up to take out an actual super villain is so clichéd. I would have rolled my eyes so hard at that.

Edited by Whowho on Oct 24th 2021 at 9:56:54 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#136025: Oct 24th 2021 at 1:57:54 PM

Her powers are similar to Plastic Man who is going to have the same problem

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