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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#135951: Oct 22nd 2021 at 1:45:52 PM

At least Sersi and Ikaris have known each other for 7000 years, or something.

Sersi and Dane, OTOH? Who knows.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#135952: Oct 22nd 2021 at 1:49:36 PM

Where have they said that Jane and Thor will be rekindling their romance? From what we've heard, the "Love" part of the title is referring to Korg and Thor's bromance and Valkyrie looking for her queen.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135953: Oct 22nd 2021 at 1:54:21 PM

I think a lot of people assumed it would be about Thor and Jane because of the title.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#135954: Oct 22nd 2021 at 2:01:09 PM

EMPIRE Magazine this month has a feature on No Way Home, one of it's covers alludes to Sandman being included in the movie

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#135955: Oct 22nd 2021 at 2:01:11 PM

It was cringe-inducing enough with the gratuitous sex scenes in the Netflix shows. Even though I loved the shows overall I absolutely hated those parts.

As I recall, that was largely true of Jessica Jones. Not so much the other shows. I mean, Matt's only sex scene was a flashback with Elektra. And for a couple with Foggy and Marci, they used the Sexy Discretion Shot.

Okey Dokey!
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#135956: Oct 22nd 2021 at 2:08:36 PM

[up][up] There's also smaller allusions to Electro and possibly even Mysterio.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#135957: Oct 22nd 2021 at 2:14:48 PM

Wasn't there a scene in the teaser of a wall of sand blocking an electric blast? I thought that we were assuming that both Electro and Sandman were involved already.

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#135958: Oct 22nd 2021 at 2:35:42 PM

[up] Well yes, along with Jamie Foxx's casting on the matter. The EMPIRE cover is just reaffirming the villain selection, with new evidence regarding Mysterio.


By the way, The Story of Marvel Studios: The Making of the Marvel Cinematic Universe came out very recently on October 19. The $150 doorstopper is an authorized historical collection of everything related to the Infinity Saga, such as the 23 movies and the Marvel Television shows.

On that note, a particularly annoying tidbit was uncovered regarding the Netflix shows' characters, as provided by an page excerpt from MCU Direct:

"While many observers assumed that this entire stable of characters would go directly into Marvel Studios' movie development process, it was decided by Marvel Entertainment's higher-ups that because the movie side was already deeply committed to their successful Avengers characters, and the impending Guardians of the Galaxy characters, that the returnees would instead help build a planned TV empire under the direct control of Marvel Entertainment (entirely separate from Marvel Studios). The film side had no control over those characters, despite their interest in developing them. Instead, they all went to Marvel Entertainment. Ghost Rider appeared in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, and the others were placed in different streaming series."

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#135959: Oct 22nd 2021 at 4:06:25 PM

If Spider-Man: No Way Home will actually have all of these villains, I can only assume many of them are in minor roles, glorified cameos even. One of the biggest criticisms of Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was that they were overloaded with villains. Surely the MCU isn't going to repeat the exact same mistake?

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The Tapestry Weaver
#135960: Oct 22nd 2021 at 4:07:10 PM

[up][up] Further proof that Ike Perlmutter is terrible.

[up] Well, the fact that No Way Home seems to be primarily recycling variants of old villains that we already know instead of having to re-introduce them like in TASM 2 is one step in the right direction. But I do worry that might be a big factor against this film. Not only has this exact problem killed the Spider-Man franchise both times it happened, but it also would make the fanbases for the previous continuities, especially the Raimi fans to go ballistic.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 22nd 2021 at 4:10:11 AM

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#135961: Oct 22nd 2021 at 4:21:44 PM

I mean, I can dig interdimensional Spider-Man vs the Sinister Six (featuring Venom)

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#135962: Oct 22nd 2021 at 4:51:39 PM

I definitely remember Tony being shown onscreen either right before or after having sex with women in several of his films, and there was that scene between Scott and Hope in their second film. Not overt sex but definitely as close to it as you can get for the rating.

Also that Eternals title is deliberately misleading, the sex scene is not necessarily between the gay characters, just that both things were under consideration by Chloe for similar reasons before she signed up.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#135963: Oct 22nd 2021 at 4:53:09 PM

[up] x4 What If Ike Perlmutter removed Kevin Feige?

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#135964: Oct 22nd 2021 at 5:14:40 PM

[up][up]Oh, I don't care whether the scene is between same-sex or opposite-sex characters, it's annoying to watch either way. I can deal with stuff like you said, showing the morning after or whatever, but I don't wanna see characters fucking any more than I'd wanna see them taking a shit. It's gross, private, and unless it's a critical plot element it's pointless to depict on-camera. There's literally millions of more interesting things we could see them do.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Oct 22nd 2021 at 8:15:24 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135965: Oct 22nd 2021 at 5:15:59 PM

Granted they are Gods and it’s a very Godly thing to bang anything with a hole.

Just ask Zeus.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jdeo1997 BLADE Pathfinders from Orion–Cygnus Arm Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
BLADE Pathfinders
#135966: Oct 22nd 2021 at 7:03:49 PM

Zeus is an outlier, even compared to the rest of the Greek Pantheon

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I'm Sad Frogerson.
#135968: Oct 22nd 2021 at 9:32:45 PM

[up] Relevant parts (these events take place prior to Marvel Studios' deal with Sony):

It started off as a pitch for The Amazing Spider-Man 3 from producer Amy Pascal to Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige. She wanted his input on the project, as he had done on the second entry long ago as revealed by the infamous Sony leaks. After he shot the pitch, he highlighted it was just a repeat of what has come before. He then went on to make the pitch about them cooperating on the next project with Marvel Studios taking on the production side of things, similar to DC and Christopher Nolan‘s deal. Pascal shared her feelings on the inquiry in the book.

"At first, I was super resentful," she admits. "I think I started crying and threw him out of my office, or threw a sandwich at him – I’m not sure which." Then she started to think it through. "By the fifth [Spider-Man] movie, we weren't giving them anything new. And I have to be honest about it, we were trying so hard to be different, we even went into places to be different that we shouldn’t have. We weren’t fresh anymore."

To be fair, there doesn't seem to be any hard feelings about the incident, but I just find the mental image amusing.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Oct 22nd 2021 at 12:34:44 PM

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Vault Dweller
#135969: Oct 22nd 2021 at 10:00:59 PM

But I do worry that might be a big factor against this film. Not only has this exact problem killed the Spider-Man franchise both times it happened, but it also would make the fanbases for the previous continuities, especially the Raimi fans to go ballistic.

Hell, I mean I'd be somewhat worried about Holland's Peter being crowded out of his own movie (and I'm having similar sentiments with Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness considering where the rumor mill is going with that film, but that's a separate thread).

Okey Dokey!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135970: Oct 22nd 2021 at 10:08:17 PM

[up][up] It is pretty funny to imagine, although you can't deny that it's pretty unprofessional behavior.

[up] I think the massive amount of character appearances hinted in No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness might be related to Captain America: Civil War's immense success, despite the large number of characters that showed up in that film. If both movies can balance the appearances of other characters without taking focus on the main character like you said, I'd be down for it. But I can't help but agree with your worries.

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#135971: Oct 22nd 2021 at 10:47:35 PM

Well, that's just fucking great, pun and sarcasm intended.

I don't think it will be anything to get upset over, it's unlikely to be anything risque.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135972: Oct 22nd 2021 at 11:23:41 PM

Huh I just found out Echo has perfect lip reading. So she can actually respond to you vocally, talking to you without any need of sign language.

Yeah that will prolly be cut out of the show because obviously it makes it come across as if she's not deaf at all.

Seriously I read that Echo Phoenix comic and throughout the whole book I was wondering whether she was still deaf or not. I was thinking "Wait did the Phoenix heal her disability?" Apparently not.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#135973: Oct 22nd 2021 at 11:27:43 PM

In my experience that is likely one of those Acceptable Breaks from Reality mostly because sign language, by its very visual nature, takes more images to convey. Images in comics take panels, and panels are in short supply. Balloons are much more economic, so lip-reading it is.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135974: Oct 22nd 2021 at 11:37:29 PM

Interestingly Eternals: Celestia which reintroduces Ajak and Makkari into the series with their new movie looks, including film-Makkari's disability's. The in-universe explanation is that after a disastrous attempt at contacting her God the dead Dreaming Celestial, Makkari lost the ability to hear, speak, and the use of telepathy which she refuses to potentially fix by a death reset for whatever reason. So Makkari communicates through sign language.

This is how it looks like.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rco006_w_1633504665.jpg

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rco016_1633504665.jpg

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#135975: Oct 23rd 2021 at 4:39:42 AM

If both movies can balance the appearances of other characters without taking focus on the main character like you said, I'd be down for it. But I can't help but agree with your worries.

For me, it's a bigger concern with Multiverse of Madness considering it's Doctor Strange's second headlining film.

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