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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#135776: Oct 19th 2021 at 12:37:23 AM

So apparently Harry Styles might have been cast as Eros, brother of Thanos, in the aftercredits stinger for Eternals? The source is from a Variety writer, so it seems more legitimate than just a rumor...and not gonna lie, out of all the choices to play Eros, the guy from One Direction didn't even seem like it'd be a casting decision anyone expected? Either way, people on Twitter are going gaga over it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135777: Oct 19th 2021 at 12:42:53 AM

Well thats some interesting implications if true.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#135778: Oct 19th 2021 at 12:46:50 AM

Wasn't Eros like...REALLY rape-y in the comics? I know he was in the original Infinity Gauntlet story but most of what I've heard is he's not well-liked by comic fans.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135779: Oct 19th 2021 at 12:51:30 AM

He has pheromone powers and he's a Casanova who likes to fuck so yes the ability to consent around him is very called into question. She-Hulk apparently once beat the crap out of him for it.

And he's Thanos's younger-brother. Yeah Mentor and Sui-San sure produced some terrific kids........

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 19th 2021 at 12:55:54 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#135780: Oct 19th 2021 at 12:55:06 AM

In hindsight the Eternals locking them up forever to ensure they can never have more kids seems more reasonable. Who knows how fucked up a third kid of theirs might end up being?

Disgusted, but not surprised
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#135781: Oct 19th 2021 at 2:29:48 AM

I'm very sure that if this is true, it will not be exactly the same when it makes it to the screen.

There's zero chance that Disney of all companies will have a character with super-roofie powers as a hero.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135782: Oct 19th 2021 at 2:36:31 AM

Well granted there’s no indication he’ll be a hero especially with those powers.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#135783: Oct 19th 2021 at 3:28:45 AM

Or possibly he will indeed be a hero but with his powers altered accordingly - like, he is superhumanly charismatic or whatever but doesn't literally remove consent.

Edited by jakobitis on Oct 19th 2021 at 3:32:55 AM

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#135784: Oct 19th 2021 at 3:33:10 AM

Besides, leaning too heavily into the pheromone thing would make him too much like Purple Man. So it'd be redundant on top of being creepy.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#135785: Oct 19th 2021 at 4:17:39 AM

Hold on, adapting the character makes sense given that he's probably the second most famous Eternal character to Thanos, but how do you adapt him if Thanos and Titan are divorced from the Eternals in the MCU?

Are they going to reveal that there's not ten Eternals but actually one hundred? But that the other 90 are hidden away somewhere? Could work if you say the other 90 abandoned their cause and left Earth.

I think Eros's powers could be adapted to not be gross. Make him a love God, but one that respects consent really quite vocally

Edited by Whowho on Oct 19th 2021 at 12:18:09 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135786: Oct 19th 2021 at 4:24:07 AM

It’s probably feasible to say there could be other Eternal societies.

I mean the Celestials just use them as guard dogs for their planetary petri dishes so it stands to reason they have multiple Eternal groups for different purposes.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#135787: Oct 19th 2021 at 4:32:31 AM

I'd be up for that being adapted into the MCU.

IronScope STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS. from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS.
#135788: Oct 19th 2021 at 4:33:55 AM

I hope this is true, because the idea of jokes about those "your family sells you to One Direction" Wattpad fanfics becoming adapted to the MCU is hilarious.

This place is careless.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#135789: Oct 19th 2021 at 4:36:34 AM

Of all the characters to bring into the MCU they brought Starfox 1?

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#135790: Oct 19th 2021 at 6:24:53 AM

Two incidental things I've noticed about the release date shuffle:

First, for the three films coming in 2022, all three are coming out on weekends that carried MCU movies in 2017.

2017:

  • May 5, 2017: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
  • July 7, 2017: Spider-Man: Homecoming
  • November 10, 2017: Thor: Ragnarok

2022:

  • May 6, 2022: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
  • July 8, 2022: Thor: Love and Thunder
  • November 11, 2022: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Incidentally, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness was originally meant to come out in May 2021 under the original schedule, so it was always intended to kick off the summer movie season. Meanwhile, Thor: Love and Thunder is coming out on the day that in 2017 was originally going to be the release date for Thor: Ragnarok before Spider-Man: Homecoming was slotted in. And the new date for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever incidentally falls just a few weeks short of what would've been Chadwick Boseman's 46th birthday.

Edited by dmcreif on Oct 19th 2021 at 9:25:08 AM

Okey Dokey!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135791: Oct 19th 2021 at 6:31:38 AM

The amount of spoiler text in this chat that happened while I was sleeping scares me...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#135792: Oct 19th 2021 at 6:55:54 AM

Honestly ”charismatic playboy” is probably more in Styles’ wheelhouse than his role in Dunkirk, so it might work out. I don’t see the actor carrying a franchise, but a little stunt casting for minor roles never hurt anyone.

[up]It’s about some secret Eternals casting news spilled by a Variety writer, if you are curious.

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 19th 2021 at 10:45:40 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135793: Oct 19th 2021 at 7:23:45 AM

I think I know who it is, based on some random tweets.

That being said, I hope nothing else leaks before its release date

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 19th 2021 at 7:24:09 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#135794: Oct 19th 2021 at 7:46:40 AM

I'm trying hard to avoid the current spoiler wave (seriously surprised Disney's being chill with it, guessing Variety taking initiative forced their hand or something) but I did get a small glimpse when that Eternals leak was first floating around and it sounds in-line with that. So that's...very interesting, at the very least.

Kinda hard to talk more on it without giving up the cold turkey approach...though dammit we got two more weeks to cover. DX

Edited by Watchtower on Oct 19th 2021 at 10:47:02 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#135795: Oct 19th 2021 at 7:56:20 AM

In minor fairness, the She Hulk arc that posited Starfox as a creep because of his powers eventually absolves him as a dude that respects consent and he has those powers removed at the end of the arc to avoid ever misusing them.

The arc was more about lampshading how those powers could be misused then anything else and even in his initial run with the Avengers it gets brought up a couple times that his power was too close to mind control for the Avengers’ comfort once they learn about the power.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#135796: Oct 19th 2021 at 8:19:30 AM

Yeah. As far as I know, Eros has never actually used his powers for the darker implications people attribute to him. The closest we got was that She Hulk arc, and as [up] pointed out, he never even did it. Thanos even screwed with his memories to trick him into thinking he might have.

Eros has become better known for what people think he's capable of due to his powers than what he really is. The whole Date Rape hero has become so ubiquitous in regards to him that it has come to outweigh literally all other interpretations of him....because memes.

At least I hope he's never used it for what people think he could. I haven't read every single one of his appearances.

One Strip! One Strip!
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#135797: Oct 19th 2021 at 8:34:50 AM

I still wouldn't risk dating him.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#135798: Oct 19th 2021 at 8:35:44 AM

Ooo-wee, these spoiler blocks are vast, which bites for me because I've been sleeping on actually watching any MCU stuff no thanks to the pandemic and my not-having-Disney+. sad

Eternals must be more than just something. And the stingers are apparently something to look out for? I almost wonder if it really is where a certain set of offspring of a certain kind of particle are finally getting established here to some capacity.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#135799: Oct 19th 2021 at 8:37:13 AM

I can neither confirm nor deny.

Edit: given that you've not seen any of the Disney plus serieses, which of them are you looking forward too?

Edited by Whowho on Oct 19th 2021 at 4:38:22 PM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#135800: Oct 19th 2021 at 8:37:54 AM

Doesn't DC have a really popular show going around right now about a guy who has a magic aura of roofy that immediately infects everyone who meets him? Lucifer? That show's reception may have convinced Marvel that Starfox can work.

I don't actually know; I only saw one episode. I got as far as, "My presence compels people, men and women, to have sex with me. But you, Obvious Love Interest, you are different because you are NOT magically drawn to my desires!" And then I was like, okay, I think I'm good.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 19th 2021 at 8:39:58 AM

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