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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yeah, Marvel's been doing that for literally years at this point. Ever since the end of Phase 2, literally every movie has close ties to one another, no matter how small you think it is. I found that out the hard way when I went to see Civil War and was completely confused as to who Ant-Man was.
It's possible. COVID really screwed things up for them.
When you're movies are connected the way the MCU is, proper order is a must.
One Strip! One Strip!I really don't think these delays are super connected to COVID. Yes, they probably had some influence, but I really think it's because of the ramifications of an IATSE strike.
Which honestly, good for them. I can take waiting several more months for a few blockbusters if it means the crewmembers of all these big projects get properly compensated and better working hours.
Hell, I'm willing to bet that the BTS for the likes of WandaVision was utter hell for them, especially the 50s episode.
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Beforehand it's only really been the ensemble movies that required other movies to understand, whereas the others have been connected but never really intrinsically so.
The idea that the upcoming movies all need to be released in a certain order, even the solo ones, is something we haven't seen since way back when Iron Man 2, Thor and The Incredible Hulk were supposed to be taking place at the same time and progressively setting up the same things.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 18th 2021 at 10:04:15 AM
Most of the times when the MCU has to move a film, they take the ones reserved for another film. This happened when Spider-Man Homecoming was announced: they gave it Thor: Ragnarok's original July date.
And let's be fair, 2021 has been such a constant stream of MCU content (with plenty more still to come) that we could use a short break.
Okey Dokey!To be fair, despite all the problems DC movies have been having, if any of their movies are going to be legitimate competition for Marvel, it's Batman. Although considering the timing, I doubt that was a factor in the delays.
Most of the post credit scenes in the past either hinted at the upcoming ensemble films (counting Civil War as an ensemble film, because it's basically Avengers 2.5) or the movies' own sequels, not other solo movies. The only time I can think of that was an exception was when the post-credit scene for Iron Man 2 was set up for Thor.
But if the post-credit scenes coming up change that format, that would explain it. Like if Dr. Strange meets Kang in the post-credits of MOM, which leads into Ant-Man, and Ant-Man yadda yadda something that happens in Wakanda Forever, which yadda yadda The Marvels.
And hey, sometimes they never lead anywhere. Remember when Homecoming set up Scorpion?
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 18th 2021 at 10:31:33 AM
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Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 18th 2021 at 12:40:30 PM
The biggest main difference is that there's no longer a primary "end-goal" for the MCU the way there was before. Previously all of the major buildup was for the Infinity Gauntlet and Thanos, and one could reasonably assume everything else was not as important. We don't have that anymore and the MCU is hitting the ground running sprawling in all directions: currently we have full-on multiversal nonsense at least somewhat tied to Kang, Val doing things in the shadows, and to a lesser extent whatever this current Avengers status quo is with Banner, Carol, and Strange/Wong, and upcoming we have whatever happens with NWH, MoM, and to a lesser extent BP2 and the blatant speedrunning of setting up the Young Avengers. And that's just what we can say for certain right now.
So yeah, I think it's reasonable to assume that the interconnectivity's going to be significantly more important now than it was in the first three phases, which is going to make the release order significantly more important because this stuff can't just be edited on the fly. We were kinda lucky FatWS worked as a better intro to Val than Black Widow, and even then we needed the latter post-credit scene to air before Hawkeye. And it's been known that MoM was completely rewritten, I've been honestly convinced for a while that it's reliant on NWH releasing first. And this is likely only going to keep snowballing.
Edited by Watchtower on Oct 18th 2021 at 2:23:12 PM
Meanwhile, in the most apeshit corner of the MCU (yes I declare this this is 100% canon, deal with it)...
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Are we sure this guy isn't a Night Monkey copycat?
Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 18th 2021 at 12:04:26 PM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Wanda and Pietro first showed up in a Winter Soldier post-credits scene before starring in Age of Ultron. A Dr. Strange post-credits scene shows Strange having a chat with Thor that, if you watch it first, foreshadows Ragnarok, but if you watch it second, just repeats what you already saw in Ragnarok.
And, of course, Ant-Man and the Wasp used the post-credits to show everyone being hit by the Snap.
I love that they're playing the "unready kid has to become a killer" plot absolutely straight even though he's a monkey.
Lines like:
- "That Monkey saved my life!""How do you know he wasn't there to kill you?"
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Honestly, Hit Monkey is a considerably bigger character than... probably all the Eternals combined. Certainly bigger than any single Eternal.
Not that this is MCU but... yeah. Hit Monkey, at least, has had action figures.
Edited by Larkmarn on Oct 18th 2021 at 3:12:20 PM
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Eh, I don't know about that. Hit Monkey is essentially a oneshot Deadpool villain that briefly became an Ensemble Dark Horse and got his own limited series, then went forgotten. I love the character and have always wanted him to show up in a film (I'm still hoping he's in Deadpool 3, I think he was maybe hinted at in F&WS?), but I've got no illusions about him overall being a bit character that's sustained largely by the fact that his concept is absolutely bonkers.
Meanwhile, the Eternals, especially the big ones like Sersi, have had roles and prominence in the Marvel universe for decades. I find the idea that Hit-Monkey is a huge character in comparison to Sersi or Ikaris fairly suspect.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 18th 2021 at 12:18:37 PM
Yeah, one of the bars in Madripoor has what looks to be Hit-Monkey's face as a logo, but it's very much a easter egg.
I think Hit-Monkey might be bigger than the Eternals in the sense he was something of a internet meme for a while in the 2010s (something the Eternals hadn't managed before the MCU), but that's a narrow category to be bigger in.
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So it sounds like some movies had to take some delays, and instead of screwing up their release schedule by flipping things around again they're just delaying everything entirely.
All these delays are making me wonder if these movies need to come out in order, and that's why they keep all getting staggered. Like something happens in Strange that is important for Ant-Man, which in some way is important for Black Panther, which establishes something that gets used in the Marvels, etc.