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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#135701: Oct 17th 2021 at 2:21:35 PM

Smart people play chess, Strange manipulates people that annoy him into sacrificing themselves

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#135702: Oct 17th 2021 at 2:26:55 PM

Like a certain timelord,only he turns them into an army

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#135703: Oct 17th 2021 at 2:58:58 PM

Doctor Strange was an egotistical maverick, now he’s an egotistical Chessmaster.

That's why some theories I've seen that Strange in NWH is actually Mephisto or possessed or whatever hold no weight: because this sort of behavior is totally in line for Strange.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#135704: Oct 17th 2021 at 3:00:10 PM

The change is probsbly because you can’t be a maverick if you’re the authority

Although Strange somehow finds a way by ignoring Wong’s warnings

(Then again Wong is doing cage fights for money so pobody’s nerfect)

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#135705: Oct 17th 2021 at 3:02:53 PM

One thing they ought to address is where sorcerers fall when it comes to the Accords, given that magic is a skill that is learned (although for some like Wanda and Agatha is innate).

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#135706: Oct 17th 2021 at 3:06:17 PM

[up] I'm surprised nobody's acknowledged/lampshaded the existence of the New York Sanctorum yet. Seems like a really strange building even ignoring the magic doctor who lives in it. I wonder if it's exempt from taxes?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 17th 2021 at 3:06:30 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135707: Oct 17th 2021 at 3:06:57 PM

Their wizards, why the fuck they gotta pay taxes.

Even the IRS got nothing on them.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#135708: Oct 17th 2021 at 3:26:26 PM

Plus they can Sling Ring portal out of prison.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#135709: Oct 17th 2021 at 3:29:34 PM

I mean, it's not like weird buildings don't exist, what are you gonna do about it? As long as they have the paperwork right nobody has any right to bother them about it.

And taxes? They probably don't outright magic up money, but with all those spells there's plenty of ways they could easily earn some.

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#135711: Oct 17th 2021 at 3:40:18 PM

[up][up]Wong uses his fight money to pay the Sanctorum's taxes

Edited by jdeo1997 on Oct 17th 2021 at 6:41:48 AM

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#135712: Oct 17th 2021 at 3:46:08 PM

There was a Doctor Strange storyarc a few years back about a real estate company trying to buy the Sanctum Sanctorum to bulldoze it and build a luxury condo over it. The arc goes in some detail about the bizarre legalities of the Sanctum Sanctorum in NY and I don't recall the finer points of it, but to my reckoning it was something like the Sanctum Sanctorum is in a murky, nightmarish and eldritch amount of red tape as the Sanctum is basically geographically located in New York but also a nexus point for a multitude of transdimensional realms and thus it is classified, officially, as a magical foreign embassy of sorts (and embassies are usually exempt from property taxes).

This also means that past the door of the Sanctum Sanctorum, you're technically no longer subject to any NY (or indeed, US) laws as that's no longer their jurisdiction. So prosecuting Strange for anything he does within Sanctum grounds is nigh impossible.

Edited by Gaon on Oct 17th 2021 at 3:49:26 AM

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#135713: Oct 17th 2021 at 3:57:19 PM

IIRC, sometimes in the comics the Sanctum has a spell over it where ordinary mortals can't see the building unless they already know where and what it is and are actively looking for it. Everyone else just sees some abandoned old hovel. It's also indicated that even if you meet those conditions, if Strange specifically doesn't want you to see it or enter, you can't. So if the IRS wanted to come and collect, there's nothing they could physically do about it unless he actually wanted to pay.

Edited by lbssb on Oct 17th 2021 at 4:02:23 AM

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#135714: Oct 17th 2021 at 4:02:52 PM

This also means that past the door of the Sanctum Sanctorum, you're technically no longer subject to any NY (or indeed, US) laws as that's no longer their jurisdiction. So prosecuting Strange for anything he does within Sanctum grounds is nigh impossible.

I'd hate to be the cop or federal agent who tried to serve a warrant on 177A Bleecker Street.

I do think that this is something Multiverse of Madness will be addressing. The Masters of the Mystic Arts are now very much in the public spotlight thanks to their work on the Battle of Upstate New York (given they were the ones who oversaw the opening of all those portals to bring the Asgardian, Wakandan, and Ravager forces to the battlefield), and their numbers appear to have been bolstered thanks to the Snap leaving many people turning to Kamar-Taj for answers. And couple that with what happened in Westview.

IIRC, sometimes in the comics the Sanctum has a spell over it where ordinary mortals can't see the building unless they already know where and what it is and are actively looking for it. Everyone else just sees some abandoned old hovel.

So something akin to how in Harry Potter, Muggles only see ruins when they look at Hogwarts, or see a store called Purge & Dowse when looking at St. Mungo's.

Edited by dmcreif on Oct 17th 2021 at 7:04:01 AM

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#135715: Oct 17th 2021 at 4:43:37 PM

Didn't Strange wind up drop kicking the real estate developer onto the Moon?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#135716: Oct 17th 2021 at 4:59:59 PM

In the MCU at least, the sorcerers don't have any issue with modern civilization — they have Wi-Fi for starters.

So they presumably do somehow pay property taxes for the Sanctums.

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#135717: Oct 17th 2021 at 5:22:58 PM

Although Strange somehow finds a way by ignoring Wong’s warnings

Back on that subject, yeah, looks like Strange is just going to be cocky in No Way Home. I think his ego blew up a bit after his 14,000,605-to-1 plan to beat Thanos worked out.

That alone could be the source of some good friction between Strange and Wanda by Multiverse of Madness. And it could be something that further vindicates Mordo's beliefs.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135718: Oct 17th 2021 at 5:45:15 PM

Huh I just now got reminded, yeah hopefully Love and Thunder doesn't have another Thor gets out of his funk plot.

Because not only did we already have that in Endgame where Thor went through the absolute worst period of depression of his life as a result of failing and losing everything, it didn't actually make him unworthy and cause him to lose his powers.

It be really repetitive if we go through another movie where Thor has to find himself again.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 17th 2021 at 9:17:38 AM

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#135719: Oct 17th 2021 at 9:14:44 PM

[up] "Are you Thor, the God of Funks?"

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#135720: Oct 18th 2021 at 12:37:57 AM

[up][up][up] Strange has always been cocky/arrogant (at least in his MCU version) - he's got better about it as he's developed as a character but to be the Sorcerer Supreme you have to have a very high level of self confidence which on a bad day becomes a flaw as well as a strength.

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#135721: Oct 18th 2021 at 8:54:23 AM

Tons of movies are getting delayed.

  • DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS (Disney) previously dated on 3/25/22 moves to 5/6/22
  • THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER (Disney) previously dated on 5/6/22 moves to 7/8/22
  • BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER (Disney) previously dated on 7/8/22 moves to 11/11/22
  • THE MARVELS (Disney) previously dated on 11/11/22 moves to 2/17/23
  • ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA (Disney) previously dated on 2/17/23 moves to 7/28/23
  • UNTITLED MARVEL (Disney) previously dated on 7/28/23 is removed from schedule
  • UNTITLED MARVEL (Disney) previously dated on 10/6/23 is removed from schedule
  • UNTITLED MARVEL (Disney) previously dated on 11/10/23 moves to 11/3/23

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#135722: Oct 18th 2021 at 8:57:57 AM

Not too surprised by this move, considering Scarlet's lawsuit and COVID still being a thing.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#135723: Oct 18th 2021 at 9:20:49 AM

This would have happened if the IATSE situation had escalated (for all we know, it still might, as members still have to vote on the agreed deal)

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#135724: Oct 18th 2021 at 9:28:02 AM

From the Deadline article:

"This has nothing to do with a change in distribution strategy, I’m informed. It’s all on account of a domino effect that is going on with production and filmmakers. Some titles are contending with finishing scenarios while others are in production. This is how Disney is solving it. Even better, the new Indiana Jones movie was sitting on the same release date as Warner Bros./DC’s Black Adam next year, on July 29, 2022; the movie starring Chris Pratt now moves to June 30, 2023; Independence Day weekend where Universal already has an untitled Illumination movie."

Edited by dmcreif on Oct 18th 2021 at 12:35:27 PM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135725: Oct 18th 2021 at 9:41:40 AM

I'm willing to bet it's because of IATSE as well. A lot of people aren't happy that the supposed "new" deal mostly consists of repackaged old agreements with only a few better conditions sprinkled in. Thus, it seems likely that the strike might still happen. The delays seen here were probably made out of panic because of that.

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