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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#135676: Oct 17th 2021 at 8:04:06 AM

Re: the Eternals punishment of Mentor. Wow that’s excessive. Couldn’t they just castrate him if the worry is him boning up a new Thanos?

Forever jail and rubbing his face in how many people Thanos kills seems excessive punishment for something he didn't have a lot of control over

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#135677: Oct 17th 2021 at 8:13:39 AM

I've turned around and do think that MCU Taskmaster can be reworked into something more Truer to the Text, it's just someone has to actually put the effort there to do so. What I'd also want is for whoever tries to fix Taskmaster to not go the easy route of doing so at the expense of the first movie. I don't like the comparisons to X-Men Origins Deadpool because that was a mistake that needed to be erased. Scrubbed from the record, only referred to disparagingly, and overall treated as a misstep and a black mark. MCU Taskmaster isn't that bad, there's things to work with, they just have to be...worked with.

[up] x7: The references in her fighting style could probably be more explicit but yeah, the references there are still clear, as very evident by the rather thorough breakdown on her trope page. If anything Taskmaster's sword-and-shield fighting style are more unique staples that were completely missed - MCU Taskmaster doesn't pull her sword out until like the last 10 minutes.

All that said IMO the critical and fan response was surprisingly cold and brutal when it came to the fight scenes in Black Widow in general. The way people talk you'd think the CGI and green-screening were blaringly underbaked and that the entire finale was just 30 minutes of mindless noise. And Taskmaster quite frankly doesn't show enough how much the response eviscerates her.

Edited by Watchtower on Oct 17th 2021 at 11:13:54 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#135678: Oct 17th 2021 at 9:02:25 AM

Regarding Black Widow, I enjoyed the movie when I watched it and I don't have that much issue with the treatment of Taskmaster in itself (although Tobias makes very good points), but it will be disappointing if that is the only MCU appearance of the character. And not one Truer to the Text.

Something that did rub me the wrong way though, especially because of Nat's ultimate fate - I kind of felt unsettled during the movie with how much physical beating Nat goes through. Like I know the intent is presumably to be grittier, but it sometimes feels voyeuristic.

And it does give me a bad taste in my mouth that she defeats the villain by letting him beat the shit out of her and degrade her. Seems like some of Whedon's ideas that shouldn't have returned did.

And as a side note, because of that "grittiness", there's like two notable scenes of Nat surviving a fall from a really high height that are just completely implausible for a normal human, even in a super-hero universe.

Related to future appearances of Taskmaster, something I'm conflicted about - spoiling just in case - so in light of all Nat went through and her ultimately being fridged, I don't know how to feel about the people she freed ending up doing villainous things voluntarily. I mean I guess she gave them a choice, which is important, but it cheapens her sacrifice. And it's not just the hypothetical with Antonia, Yelena ends up doing wetwork for Val and in Shang Chi, one of the random rescued Widows, "Helen", is fighting on an illegal blood sport circuit, and I would assume also joins the refashioned Ten Rings at the end.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#135679: Oct 17th 2021 at 9:12:10 AM

You’d think she’d develop a resistance to fall damage at this rate

Therefore I propose she’s not actually dead, she faked her death like she does a lot

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#135680: Oct 17th 2021 at 9:13:54 AM

[up] I don't think the Soul Stone would accept Faking the Dead. It appears to be very rigid on the sacrifice.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#135681: Oct 17th 2021 at 9:20:17 AM

She faked her death extremely well

A Nat 20 you might say

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#135682: Oct 17th 2021 at 9:22:30 AM

Fooling the soul stone is super easy, barely an inconvenience!

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135683: Oct 17th 2021 at 9:27:39 AM

It does irritate me a little bit that we still don't really know what the Soul Stone does in the MCU. Not even What If...? gave us any new details.

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#135684: Oct 17th 2021 at 10:12:50 AM

It does..mystery plot stuff!Not having a explicit use lets viewers come up with their own ideas,or somthing

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#135685: Oct 17th 2021 at 10:31:35 AM

I still believe MCU Taskmaster might be easier to rerail into Finnesse rather than actual Taskmaster.

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#135686: Oct 17th 2021 at 11:31:24 AM

We know exactly what the Soul Gem does. It's a fridge to stuff female characters into.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#135687: Oct 17th 2021 at 11:32:12 AM

Thanos, slapping the top of the Soul Gem: "This bad boy can hold so many women"

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135688: Oct 17th 2021 at 11:41:51 AM

@Bocaj Well the prison cell that eternally reminds him of his mistake was due to his brother Zuras. An act of of absolute pettiness to forever remind his brother that he was right.

The eternal exclusion though that’s a brutal act done by the Eternals society. The uni-mind which is when all the Eternals decide on something decided on social exclusion on him and even Ikaris shed no tears for him. Which again is a lot as Mentor tried to beg “Please I no longer believe in my cause anymore it was all a failure don’t do this.”

Pretty brutal stuff.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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Pet Owner
#135689: Oct 17th 2021 at 11:54:05 AM

@Gaon Finnesse?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135690: Oct 17th 2021 at 11:55:36 AM

Taskmaster’s possible daughter who has similar mimic powers. She used to be a member of Avengers Academy and is now working for AIM for some reason.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 17th 2021 at 11:55:46 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#135691: Oct 17th 2021 at 12:29:10 PM

She worked for AIM because it was a branch of AIM that was specifically "fuck Hank Pym for being Ultron now" and since Finesse was one of his students, she wanted to. Help put him out of his misery.

She quit AIM and joined Nadia Wasp's GIRL group when she realized AIM was still AIM thus jerks.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135692: Oct 17th 2021 at 12:59:56 PM

Huh that’s actually sweet of her.

Especially since she always had trouble caring about people.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 17th 2021 at 1:00:22 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#135693: Oct 17th 2021 at 1:30:40 PM

A bit late, but the problem with future films course-correcting Taskmaster to be more in-line with her comics counterpart as a cocky, funny mercenary is that what little glimpse of her true personality we do get at the end of the film doesn't believably set up for that, in my opinion.

Her reaction is a relieved, desperate "Is he gone...?" that sounds like she's begging for it to all be over so she can go live the normal life she was robbed of alongside all the other Widows. Not like somebody eager to jump into the criminal underworld marketing herself as a supervillain-for-hire or combat instructor.

Maybe time will change her demeanor, but nothing in the ending of Black Widow sets it up that way so it'd feel pretty jarring regardless.

Also yeah her fight scenes were good but we already saw all of them in the trailer footage, so I can't help but feel somewhat robbed in that department too.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Oct 17th 2021 at 4:36:52 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#135694: Oct 17th 2021 at 1:44:41 PM

There have been more extreme personality shifts in the MCU so I doubt many would complain about future Taskmaster’s personality being at odds with a few lines from a previous film.

Zola used to be a scared reluctant minion, then he became a more ruthless and authoritarian villain than the Red Skull himself.

Thor used to be solemn and glowering, then he got redone into a well-meaning bumbler who makes it up along the way.

Doctor Strange was an egotistical maverick, now he’s an egotistical Chessmaster.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135695: Oct 17th 2021 at 1:46:30 PM

Oh fuck I just read Thena’s comic character page, and it says she is the occasional lover of the Deviant Kro.

That’s the tentacle guy ensnaring her in the trailer telling her they have no hope.

Well shit, I wonder if that’s gonna be a thing here.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#135696: Oct 17th 2021 at 1:49:31 PM

Yeah, there's precedent for that, but "don't worry, maybe her personality will be more comics-accurate next time" is still kinda sucky consolation, and wouldn't retroactively improve my criticism of her portrayal in Black Widow.

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jdeo1997 BLADE Pathfinders from Orion–Cygnus Arm Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
BLADE Pathfinders
#135697: Oct 17th 2021 at 1:52:03 PM

[up][up][up]I mean, he's still got that maverick streak considering how he fucked up the multiverse in NWH

Edited by jdeo1997 on Oct 17th 2021 at 4:52:12 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#135698: Oct 17th 2021 at 1:59:25 PM

Strange can't play chess,he should stick to checkers

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#135699: Oct 17th 2021 at 2:11:34 PM

Strange: I'll have you know I can best anyone at Chess and Checkers. Xavier/Magneto: Really now?

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#135700: Oct 17th 2021 at 2:18:17 PM

Strange would just use the time stone to try every sequence of moves until he found a winning combination. Yes, that's an absurd amount of determination when you consider even our best minds with supercomputers haven't found a way to solve chess yet, but this is the guy who stalemated Dormammu and checked over fourteen million timelines to find a way to defeat Thanos.

Edited by FGHIK on Oct 17th 2021 at 4:19:15 AM


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