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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#135626: Oct 15th 2021 at 11:09:36 PM

Thanos is interesting since he's actually a hybrid of Eternal and Deviant due to a mutation. That's why he's more powerful than the average Titanian Eternal.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#135627: Oct 15th 2021 at 11:20:22 PM

Thena has a habit of taking lovers among the Deviants, not all of them are mindless monsters there are sentient members. Wonder if thats gonna play into the movie.

There's that "You can't protect any of them" guy in the trailer. Is he a Deviant? He seems sentient.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135628: Oct 15th 2021 at 11:34:15 PM

As I recall it being mentioned before that guy is Kro who is leader of the Deviants so maybe Thena started something with him.

Also heh this is what he looks like in the comics.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/kro_earth_616_from_thor_the_deviants_saga_vol_1_3_001.jpg

Nice shades. [lol]

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 16th 2021 at 3:51:54 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#135629: Oct 16th 2021 at 6:10:27 AM

[up] He looks like a member of Team Flare.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#135630: Oct 16th 2021 at 1:49:00 PM

Honestly, I kind of preferred the old method of putting all the What Could Have Been examples on each individual movie's Trivia section instead of cramming them all onto that one page concerning the entire franchise.

Agreed, and I don't know who changed it or why, but it's a pain in the ass. We don't do that for other long-running franchises with multiple entries, and for the kinds of WCHB's that would affect entire franchises as opposed to single works, we can just put that on the general Marvel Cinematic Universe Trivia page. I'd like to push for undoing that, honestly.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#135631: Oct 16th 2021 at 1:50:11 PM

I recall something about the triva namespace not being used anymore,or something

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#135632: Oct 16th 2021 at 1:58:15 PM

Well, it's still listed as a Trivia trope, and it does pertain to production details, which is what Trivia is for. Marvel Cinematic Universe is pretty active, though it's also populated with a lot of bloat and examples which could honestly better fit on their own work pages.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135633: Oct 16th 2021 at 2:06:54 PM

Yeah, there's little point in filling up entire movie catalogues of examples when we can just have general information for the franchise as a whole on that one page.

Like, the Other Assorted Trivia subsection and maybe stuff pertaining to future releases can stay there. But all the other examples for each movie in a phase just existing there and taking up space seems ridiculous imo.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#135634: Oct 16th 2021 at 2:08:27 PM

I definitely hate how that page is laid out. Do franchise-wide examples there but put work-specific things on the work trivia page.

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 16th 2021 at 4:09:07 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135635: Oct 16th 2021 at 2:52:27 PM

Ya know while I do like Ragnarok, I hope Love and Thunder at least takes Gorr more seriously.

Like the guy is intended to be a celestial serial killer, he should be played more as a horror villain with little jokes. Hopefully his menace is maintained.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#135636: Oct 16th 2021 at 2:54:51 PM

They took Hela seriously, so it wouldn't surprise me if Gorr is treated seriously too.

The legend has returned.
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135637: Oct 16th 2021 at 3:03:52 PM

[up][up][up] I can start work on that later today if you want.

[up][up] Yeah, like the other guy said, Hela was definitely a case of Vile Villain, Saccharine Show within the MCU. Everything else was nuts and laughable in Ragnarok, but Hela was definitely a threatening force. I do worry about Taika going a little too far with Thor's next adventure as well, but considering how well he directed Chapter 8 of The Mandalorian, I have faith he'll be able to do Love and Thunder with both zany comedy but still provide seriousness when needed.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 16th 2021 at 3:06:39 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#135638: Oct 16th 2021 at 5:57:18 PM

I wouldn't mind for the scales to be tipped to 66% serious 34% comedy for Love and Thunder.

Okey Dokey!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135639: Oct 16th 2021 at 6:12:58 PM

Alright. Deep Serpent Assignment completed. I've moved all the specific What Could Have Been entries back to their proper places, and kept the general stuff and future projects on the main page.

Hopefully some higher-up doesn't get pissed off.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#135640: Oct 16th 2021 at 6:27:00 PM

Deep Serpent Assignment

Not a reference I was expecting to encounter, but an understood one nonetheless.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Oct 16th 2021 at 9:27:22 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135641: Oct 16th 2021 at 6:28:55 PM

[up] I'm so incredibly disappointed that something that awesome-sounding was used to describe a series of half-assed videos that were created out of spite.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135642: Oct 16th 2021 at 6:39:20 PM

Love and Thunder looks to be a pretty complex due to juggling a lot of stuff. Gorr and Zeus, Jane becoming Jane-Thor and rekindling her relationship with Thor, and Valkyrie finding her own love. Its a lot.

Also here's some more Eternals knowledge.

Kingo in the comics is an actual weeb. No seriously he has such a fascination with Japanese culture that he actually dresses like a samurai and uses katanas, fighting like a ninja. Which makes it rather amusing that the movies have changed him into a gunslinger though it explains why he's a Bollywood singer as its an adaptation of his existing love of human culture.

Gilgamesh is known as the Forgotten One and is the most rebellious of the group. He takes the mission of the Eternals, protect the Earth into protecting devoutly the human race so he actively engages in vigilantism to combat evil humans. He also makes a point of being a hunter of his own kind, punishing/killing any Eternals harming humanity.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 16th 2021 at 6:40:00 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135643: Oct 16th 2021 at 6:43:27 PM

[up] I think it would be cool if Kingo was some sort of secret film executive for centuries who was responsible for getting billions of classic films on the big screen because he gave them the green light and was such a patron of the arts. Eventually he loves the movies so much he ends up giving up that job to become a celebrity or something. That would be cool.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#135644: Oct 16th 2021 at 6:46:03 PM

I'm fairly sure Zeus will show up only in a Villain Opening Scene where Gorr the God-Butcher just tears a bloody path through the greek pantheon and establishes his street credt. Zeus will at best just be the dead man walking messenger who'll warn Asgar that Gorr is coming before expiring.

And then the opening credits roll.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#135645: Oct 16th 2021 at 7:25:13 PM

Its tough being a pantheon in the common reference pools

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#135646: Oct 16th 2021 at 7:57:32 PM

Man, it'll be really awkward when Gorr has to go against Priapus...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135647: Oct 16th 2021 at 8:02:30 PM

No hard guesses what Gorr will cut off first.........

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#135648: Oct 16th 2021 at 8:13:54 PM

Love and Thunder looks to be a pretty complex due to juggling a lot of stuff. Gorr and Zeus, Jane becoming Jane-Thor and rekindling her relationship with Thor, and Valkyrie finding her own love. Its a lot.

And that's before the Guardians of the Galaxy are thrown in the mix.

Okey Dokey!
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#135649: Oct 16th 2021 at 8:17:11 PM

[up][up]He, he, you said "hard".

On a serious note, I don't have that much sense of how Waiti/the movie will handle Gorr, but I've noted that he is (appropriately) rather similar to Drago Bludvist from How to Train Your Dragon 2 - or (also appropriately) like Kratos.

Essentially, the character's backstory is the standard "badass action hero all of whose loved ones were stuffed in the fridge" - but as a bad guy instead of the expected hero. Of course, Drago and Gorr are antagonists and Kratos is the protagonist.

But I think it can be interesting to have a villain in what is usually a hero role as a way of showing how qualities like cleverness and strength aren't inherently moral. And it has worked with MCU villains like Killmonger, Zemo, and Vulture.

Edit - And I can see how Gorr is a natural foil to both Thor (has gone through a lot of trauma but remained worthy) and Jane (an ordinary person turned demigod).

Edited by Hodor2 on Oct 16th 2021 at 10:20:22 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135650: Oct 16th 2021 at 9:14:18 PM

Pfffft okay honestly it’s kind of a shame they adapted out Thanos’ backstory with the Eternals.

Cause I just love how Thanos is effectively the ultimately black sheep of the entire group, being their ETERNAL shame. [lol]

Especially in how he effectively ruined the lives of both his parents who due to their immortality have to forever live with the knowledge that they sired the worst being who ever existed in the universe all while being locked in an isolation prison cell upon the fear that they could produce another Thanos, willing or not.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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