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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135601: Oct 15th 2021 at 12:32:45 PM

Maybe our next Spider-Man movies will have better names.

They really overused the whole home name theme.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#135602: Oct 15th 2021 at 12:34:48 PM

Indeed. There's no tearing Spiderman away from Sony's grasp....unless you convince the to give up the film rights to keep the video game rights, cause their Spiderman Video games are pretty tight.

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#135603: Oct 15th 2021 at 12:35:00 PM

Homecoming had a really meaningful name in the meta sense, being about Spider-Man returning to the MCU.

In that sense, No Way Home also has a really meaningful name in the meta sense. Being about the fact that Sony and Marvel have irreconcilable differences and this whole "Spider-Man Homecoming" thing isn't working out.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135604: Oct 15th 2021 at 12:36:17 PM

Also Eternals clip

Greater look at how their superpowers work

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#135605: Oct 15th 2021 at 12:42:08 PM

Ooh, it hadn't quite sunk in that there's a deaf character on the team. Very nice.

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#135606: Oct 15th 2021 at 1:17:03 PM

[up][up][up] Except we're supposed to see Spider-Holland in one last ensemble movie.

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#135607: Oct 15th 2021 at 1:25:45 PM

Yeah, No Way Home being the end of the trilogy isn't necessarily any more the end of the character than, well, Iron Man 3 ending the trilogy being the end of that character.

Plus, it's not like Peter was even introduced in the trilogy so assuming it's the send off for the character seems quite premature.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#135608: Oct 15th 2021 at 1:34:26 PM

Last I heard Marvel and Sony after the current deal runs out are going to be looking at films on a case by case basis.

So, could go either way.

There are a few MCU Spidey cross overs I'd still like to see. Spidey and Deadpool mostly, but also I like it when a veterine Spidey meets new fresh faced teen superheroes.

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#135609: Oct 15th 2021 at 2:42:59 PM

Venom and Spider Man alone will make bank to ensure more collaboration.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135610: Oct 15th 2021 at 2:52:25 PM

Shit with Marvel's obsession with symbiote invasion stories might as well give us an entire movie with everyone possessed by Venom.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 15th 2021 at 2:53:29 AM

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#135611: Oct 15th 2021 at 2:54:52 PM

Spider-Man leaving the MCU seems to make sense. Not sure where they'll go from there, but we'll have to see.

The one question I have is: if Spider-Man does leave the MCU, what the hell is Venom gonna do? It seems unlikely the two of them will face off in No Way Home since Let There Be Carnage's mid-credit scene was a very last-minute addition. But if Spider-Man leaves the MCU for another universe later on, then literally what's the point of Venom coming to the MCU?

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#135612: Oct 15th 2021 at 3:06:41 PM

I'm going to keep bringing up the Disneyland ride because it makes no sense for Disney to focus so much of the Avengers Campus on Spidey if he was just going to be officially shuffled out of the MCU six months late.

That's not to mention the inevitable international shitstorm that happens when it does. Shit made headlines when they were just talking about it, it'll only be worse if Sony actually pulls the trigger.

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#135613: Oct 15th 2021 at 3:18:28 PM

My guess: No Way Home ends with Spider-Man getting shunted into Sony's Venom universe for good, where he just has to live from now on. His future Avengers appearance will be in the Multiverse War.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#135614: Oct 15th 2021 at 3:19:21 PM

Or he will be retconned to have always lived there, through Multiversal Shenanigans.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 15th 2021 at 12:19:28 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135615: Oct 15th 2021 at 3:47:43 PM

Yeah considering Venom is now in the MCU it doesn't make sense if Sony takes away Spider-Man.

They clearly wanna play ball and get that MCU money so more collaborations seems likely.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 15th 2021 at 3:59:37 AM

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#135616: Oct 15th 2021 at 3:57:08 PM

[up] Might wanna spoiler that.

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#135617: Oct 15th 2021 at 5:10:45 PM

Is anyone here worried that we're going to overload the What Could Have Been subsection on the Marvel Cinematic Universe page? I mean, we keep finding and adding more and more scrapped ideas from each movie / series on there, so it seems kinda inevitable...

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#135618: Oct 15th 2021 at 5:18:55 PM

It is a little too big indeed.....

"An early draft of the script revealed Tony Stark to be the creator of Otto Octavius's tentacles from Spider-Man 2. "

So tony tendecy of being the origin of spiderman villians does really go back to the very star isnt?tongue

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#135619: Oct 15th 2021 at 5:19:39 PM

Maybe you could make pages for each phase of the MCU?

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#135620: Oct 15th 2021 at 5:48:25 PM

[up][up] It'd be funny if Doc Ock sees a picture of Tony and contemplates it before moving on as a fun little Mythology Gag.

[up] That seems to make the most logical solution, although it would take time and effort to do so, and I dunno what the higher-up tropers would think of that.

Honestly, I kind of preferred the old method of putting all the What Could Have Been examples on each individual movie's Trivia section instead of cramming them all onto that one page concerning the entire franchise.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 15th 2021 at 5:49:48 AM

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#135621: Oct 15th 2021 at 6:20:27 PM

[up] Tony: You'll love these arms, Otto. M.O.T.H.E.R is gonna make your future work much easier! Otto: Excuse me? Tony: Motor Octo Tentacle Hydrolic Electronic Rotations. What not quirky enough of a word?

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#135622: Oct 15th 2021 at 7:55:27 PM

[up]*Some years later*

Otto: NOW HERE I COME STARK, THIS IS MY VENGA-

Peter: he is dead

Otto: what?

Peter: he is dead, super dead, like really dead.

Otto:.....So I will have to kill you.

Peter: Sure, why not, of course you will....

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135623: Oct 15th 2021 at 8:10:16 PM

Okay so here are the powers of the entire Eternals

Sersi: Matter transmutation of non-sentient objects

Ikaris: Flying brick with heat vision

Ajak: Healing hands

Phastos: The tech head, his resource being cosmic energy

Makkari: Super speed

Druig: Mind control

Thena: Energy weapon creation

Gilgamesh: Super strength and armoring himself with energy armor and gauntlets

Kingo: Blaster fire

Sprite: Illusions which includes invisibility

Pretty classy shit overall. Very Godlike, Thor should hang out with these guys.

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#135624: Oct 15th 2021 at 9:31:28 PM

Given the premise of Thor’s next movie, maybe it’s in the Eternals’s best interests that they stay away…

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135625: Oct 15th 2021 at 11:04:14 PM

[up] Hey Gorr does have targets. Presumably if Thor doesn't stop him he'll prolly go after the Eternals.

Huh I'm currently reading Kieron Gillen's Eternals book and interesting details. Thena has a habit of taking lovers among the Deviants, not all of them are mindless monsters there are sentient members. Wonder if thats gonna play into the movie.

They have this sentient AI thing connected to the Earth called the Machine, allows them to teleport and stuff. If the Machine is broken then the Earth is at risk of being destroyed.

There are a hundred Eternals to the point there are several cities or factions with an Eternal known as Zuras as the grand leader of the bunch or main group. Now of course the movie paired them down to just the 10 and Ajak is the leader instead of Zuras so interested if the Eternals are just the 10 or that there's more out there.

Also I just found out what is the story with the Titans Eternals. So they were originally a faction of Eternals known as the Llarsite lead by A'lars comprised of around 30% of the Eternals who seeked to expand their society, modify the Machine, and create more Eternals. So A'lars was allowed to establish a colony on Titan due to it being home of a lost colony of the Uranites, where he then took the name Mentor and wedded Sui-San. They were doing good, creating a bountiful society of Eternals called the Titans so successful that the Eternals on Earth started believing the Zurasian faction as too conservative.

........ Then Thanos was born and the rest is history. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 15th 2021 at 11:32:29 AM

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