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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#135426: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:12:46 AM

Imagine if they gave him the deadpool treatment with comic book accurate costume

seriously how would you translate this

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DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#135427: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:22:07 AM

[up] They were able to translate Wanda's and Falcon Captain America suits well.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#135428: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:26:58 AM

I'm pretty sure I've seen some concept fan art of Logan's costume on this thread or another one a few times.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#135429: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:27:07 AM

Same way they translate everything, darken the colors and add ridges. Mustard yellow is a very fashionable color right now. ;)

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#135430: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:27:17 AM

I think the problem is translating the costume so its in the middle of this

Too literal ——-Practical—————-Zero resemblance

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#135431: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:29:36 AM

Showing a properly focused on leader Scott would be nice. Also Storm, Kurt and, I dunno, Shadowcat or Jubilee or maybe Armor?

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#135432: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:30:08 AM

Regarding Scott and Jean, I'd put them both at "overexposed, yet underutilized." They've been there, and frequently do a lot, but somehow it feels like they've not yet once been used well.

I'm trying to think of flagship X-Men who would be worth elevating without feeling overexposed.

Personally, I think a focus on Storm would make sense. She's very notable in the comics and the animated series. She's always just kinda been there in the movies, barring Apocalypse but even then she hasn't had much agency. Kitty'd be a good contender but Elliot Page also would be a hard act to follow, but I think a distinct possibility given the character's role in the comics. Nightcrawler would be good, but... makeup.

Edited by Larkmarn on Oct 13th 2021 at 11:30:26 AM

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#135433: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:31:32 AM

> I'm trying to think of flagship X-Men who would be worth elevating without feeling overexposed.

I was thinking Beast

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#135434: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:40:02 AM

I'd put Scott (not X & Mags) at the center of the team. Maybe do Scott/Emma instead of Scott/Jean to differentiate from the Foxverse. Following up on [up][up], it'd make sense to have Kitty as the Audience Surrogate.

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 13th 2021 at 10:41:05 AM

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#135435: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:49:27 AM

Let Emma be the wonderful terrible jerk she is

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#135436: Oct 13th 2021 at 9:05:16 AM

Also there's the question of who you have be adults, and who you have be students, and which of the two groups you focus on.

Edited by Whowho on Oct 13th 2021 at 5:15:29 PM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#135437: Oct 13th 2021 at 9:06:49 AM

Regé-Jean Page not being Adam Warlock is a bit of a missed opportunity. The ultimate lifeform being black would be interesting.

One idea that I've come to really warm up to is Page as a recasted T'Challa. He has a lot of things going for him that put him high on my list; it's certainly better IMO than having another PoC as a body-painted alien.

Plus yeah, Kang is black and the TVA is a black-owned business. So yeah. [lol]

The real important news is the fact that Page is even on Marvel Studios' radar, and for something so apparently in-demand. That is very good to see.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#135438: Oct 13th 2021 at 9:09:13 AM

Didn't know Warlock was supposed to be the ultimate life form (I know very little about the guy). There might still be hope for a black ultimate life form if/when Blue Marvel gets adapted.

His shtick is that he was specifically engineered with the purpose of being "the perfect man" by celestial scientists, born from a coccoon and whatnot. It's why he's named "Adam" (as in he's a sort of new, superior breed of man). So he tends to have a very messianic bent.

This is at its strongest in the Infinity Gauntlet storyline where the conflict is thematically framed as a clash of Thanos, the ultimate champion of death vs Adam Warlock, the ultimate champion of life. With the added irony that Thanos, the representative of death, is highly passionate, manic and lively while Warlock, the representative of life, is extremely cold, dispassionate and stoic.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#135439: Oct 13th 2021 at 9:10:21 AM

I for one always prefered Scott and Emma over Scott and Jean (not that I mind the latter).

Despite the....questionable beginning, these two had a great chemistry once the writers got the hang of it.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#135440: Oct 13th 2021 at 9:16:32 AM

I'd want to focus on the students and a marginalised coming of age narrative, to try and hit a different tone from the Fox-men films.

So I guess the protagonists could be any of the iconic X-Men under utilised in the previous film but who don't feel weird being students.

So I'd say Kitty Pride, Jubilee, Gambit and Ice Man. There's probably room for more.

In terms of Adults, I'm tempted to just have Storm be the headmistress so she can at least be assured to get some focus. Emma Frost would be fun, as would Forge. And I'd probably have Collosus appear exactly as he is in Deadpool.

Xavier and Magneto would be in the back story with ambiguous fates.

No idea what I'd do with Scott and Jean.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#135441: Oct 13th 2021 at 9:20:31 AM

One idea that I've come to really warm up to is Page as a recasted T'Challa. He has a lot of things going for him that put him high on my list; it's certainly better IMO than having another Po C as a body-painted alien.

Plus yeah, Kang is black and the TVA is a black-owned business. So yeah.

Page as T'Challa would come with some colorism baggage, but that charisma of his could certainly be turned elsewhere... Scott? Johnny? Heck, Reed?

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#135442: Oct 13th 2021 at 9:28:55 AM

I'm on the "don't recast T'challa" camp so I'd rather he did something else. Johnny ain't a bad thought.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#135443: Oct 13th 2021 at 9:49:17 AM

[up][up] I've seen the colorism argument, I totally get it as a general argument, but I can't help but find it really fucking awkward that trying to address it means gauging whether or not an actor like Page is black enough.

I'm not black so forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn but...yeah.

Anyway, my main point at the end is more that Marvel should get Page for something. I'm in the "recast T'Challa" camp so I'm fine with that idea, but if they go with something else then so be it.

...Not Johnny, though. I want a "teenage" Johnny who can have teenage adventures with Holland's Spider-Man.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#135444: Oct 13th 2021 at 9:58:56 AM

"Is this mixed-race actor [ethnicity] enough" has always struck me as a misconstruing of the actual argument. Nobody is saying that Page isn't black, just that he has privilege that darker-skinned actors don't, and casting him as a previously darker-skinned character feeds into that cycle. Zendaya has been quite graceful about this. The discourse around Page's Star-Making Role in Bridgerton is actually a good example: people were happy that POC get the spotlight, but questioning why all the major POC passed the paperbag test.

But to avoid getting too off-topic...

...Not Johnny, though. I want a "teenage" Johnny who can have teenage adventures with Holland's Spider-Man.

Or they could just finally graduate Peter from high school [lol]

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#135445: Oct 13th 2021 at 10:41:10 AM

Let me clarify that the "black enough" comment is as much if not more about skin complexion as it is ethnicity - Page has the advantage of being considered lighter in both. I do get the colorism argument - I get that there are biases favoring lighter-skinned and "whiter" peoples, I get that trying to replace someone particularly dark-skinned like Boseman with someone noticeably lighter is not the best look. I don't think it's an entirely unfair descriptor though at least when it comes to online discourse of such - I will admit that my perception of this topic is probably tainted by those being...not as kind on the subject of Page.

I'm really trying not to derail this topic myself, and I do wanna thank you for the very enlightening references at the very least. I'll end off by noting that high-school, college, whatever, I just want a Johnny Storm that looks like he and Holland's Peter could be like roommates or something without it looking too weird. [lol]

Edited by Watchtower on Oct 13th 2021 at 1:55:29 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#135447: Oct 13th 2021 at 11:17:32 AM

Any ideas for who should play Blue Marvel assuming he gets into the MCU?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#135448: Oct 13th 2021 at 11:20:19 AM

I don't know anything about the character but I like the John Boyega fancast/rumor since Disney needs to do right by him.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#135449: Oct 13th 2021 at 11:33:50 AM

[up] Eh, I don't, really.

I mean, nothing against the guy, but Blue Marvel is supposed to be middle-aged and experienced.

Michael Jai White would be a good fit, he has the age and the Heroic Build.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 13th 2021 at 8:35:58 PM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#135450: Oct 13th 2021 at 11:39:18 AM

...How about going straight to the source? Aka Blue Marvel creator Kevin Grevioux?

Michael Jai White's also a solid pick. Need a guy who can pull off grizzled.

Boyega also definitely needs to be taken for something else, too.

Edited by Watchtower on Oct 13th 2021 at 2:39:42 PM


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