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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#135401: Oct 12th 2021 at 2:11:27 PM

[up]Hopefully the Insomniac game ends up taking cues from it.

Edited by lbssb on Oct 12th 2021 at 2:11:40 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135402: Oct 12th 2021 at 2:14:18 PM

Man its gonna be weird going back to PG-13 Logan.

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#135403: Oct 12th 2021 at 3:45:10 PM

According to The Hollywood Reporter, the other shortlisted candidates for Adam Warlock were Regé-Jean Page and George MacKay, which makes for a rather varied trio of blokes, and implies that the Britishness was at least somewhat intentional.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#135404: Oct 12th 2021 at 4:12:21 PM

Regé-Jean Page not being Adam Warlock is a bit of a missed opportunity. The ultimate lifeform being black would be interesting.

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#135405: Oct 12th 2021 at 4:24:52 PM

> Man its gonna be weird going back to PG-13 Logan.

As long as he keeps his claws and gruff appearance I don't mind

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#135406: Oct 12th 2021 at 4:26:03 PM

[up] That is, assuming we don't go straight to X-23...

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#135407: Oct 12th 2021 at 4:35:26 PM

I think given the Wolverine is the 'face' of the xmen so to speak I think he'll take priority,but I definately see her appearing in the MCU,maybe in the TV show somewhere down the line

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#135408: Oct 12th 2021 at 4:45:11 PM

The game version of Origins also gave us Logan thanks to the creator loving the gore feel of that game.

...Wait, really? Logan got rated R because of the M-rated Wolverine Origins game?

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#135409: Oct 12th 2021 at 5:14:05 PM

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I expect we'll get to X-23 a lot faster than the Foxverse took, but I think Logan will still be first, though that could be "appears first in a movie both characters are debuting in".

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#135410: Oct 12th 2021 at 5:24:12 PM

I have the inkling in the back of my head they'll start with a X-23-centric movie in which she's searching for Wolverine and he shows up in the sequel (or a post-credits scene). It's very in the Marvel vibe to keep a iconic character like that close to the chest to tickle the audience's expectations. Marketing of the entire X-23 film would be people trying to figure out if Logan is in the movie and thinking every single male actor cast is ACTUALLY Wolverine. Marvel even flies Hugh Jackman to visit the set solely to spice up the rumour mill and it's at a fever pitch with every trailer. The whole movie is about searching for him, but she doesn't find him, but by this point the film is already a knockout success on the hype of Logan's inexistent debut, and the promise he'll show up (or show up proper if he gets a post-credit scene cameo) in the sequel clinches the deal.

I can almost see the breakdowns of every frame of the trailer looking for Logan right in front of me.

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#135411: Oct 12th 2021 at 5:27:23 PM

Regé-Jean Page not being Adam Warlock is a bit of a missed opportunity. The ultimate lifeform being black would be interesting.

We kind of have that with Kang. The most dangerous life-form in all the multiverse is a black human.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 12th 2021 at 5:27:50 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#135413: Oct 12th 2021 at 5:29:24 PM

Also, suggesting Page should have got the role over others based on his race (and not, you know talent, or fitting into the role as written), is pretty...gross.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#135414: Oct 12th 2021 at 6:04:08 PM

[up]x4 I really don't think you could do a movie where a major theme is searching for Logan, complete with intentionally trolling the media on the subject, then have him not show up at all without seriously harming the movie's chances of being successful.

Audiences don't like being strung along on a promise a movie has no intention of delivering. I don't like being strung along on a promise a movie has no intention of delivering.

That being said I could probably imagine going straight to X-23 first, even if I don't see it as likely, but in that case it should be a story about or including X-23 with Logan only being relevant as an element of her backstory (ie no active search, nothing in the marketing indicating he'll show up).

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#135415: Oct 12th 2021 at 6:05:51 PM

Like, the girl who played X-23 in Logan is probably old enough to be an adult now.

So starting with X-23 wouldn't be such a bad idea.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#135416: Oct 12th 2021 at 6:15:05 PM

I say why does this have to be a choice? Introduce them in the same movie, possibly in the same scene.

Then when you need your Wolverine to be a grizzled veteran who has lived centuries, use Logan. When you need your Wolverine to be a young up and comer but who can fight with every bit as much ferocity, use X-23. And when one Wolverine (somehow) isn't awesome enough, use both.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#135417: Oct 12th 2021 at 6:39:31 PM

Like, the girl who played X-23 in Logan is probably old enough to be an adult now.

She's 16.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#135418: Oct 12th 2021 at 7:53:09 PM

Yeah, Logan wasn't that long ago...

Although given the success of Millie Bobby Brown and the other Stranger Things kids, I'd be down to see Dafne Keen grow into the role ala Tom Holland with Spider-Man.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 12th 2021 at 7:54:06 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135419: Oct 12th 2021 at 7:56:54 PM

Dafne Keen is also old enough that she can effectively play a different version of the character.

I hope she reprises the character like Ryan Reynolds is doing with Deadpool.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#135420: Oct 12th 2021 at 10:05:13 PM

Keen is literally old enough to play a Truer to the Text version of X-23, and if Marvel was smart they'd pounce on the opportunity.

And I could totally see Marvel Studios going the All-New Wolverine route. It's in line with their other inclusivity pushes, it's a clearly different route than what's been done with Logan in the past, and Logan's both mainstream popular enough and honestly already well-done enough that they can afford to dangle his presence out - Wolverine's one of the few characters that Fox basically did fully right already, and the tease approach clearly worked wonders for Arrowverse Batwoman.

Edited by Watchtower on Oct 12th 2021 at 1:09:11 PM

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#135421: Oct 12th 2021 at 11:06:21 PM

I do agree that with Hugh Jackman owning the role so well, there isn't really too much you can add to rebooting Logan in the MCU without retreading or making a worse character. Hence why I'm more open for X-23 to be Wolverine, since there's more room to explore and develop the character.

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#135422: Oct 13th 2021 at 6:45:12 AM

Yeah, as much as I bitch about Hugh jackman Wolverine overexposure, the problem isn't Jackman. He owns that role and it would be a comically uphill battle for the MCU to try and wrest that title from him without doing the legwork.

Lord knows the MCU is more than capable of making its B, C, or F-tier characters into the A-Listers.

Hell, even Foxmen managed to make Mystique the A-List X-Man which is... something.

Edited by Larkmarn on Oct 13th 2021 at 9:45:58 AM

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#135423: Oct 13th 2021 at 7:08:40 AM

That was more because Mystique's actress having appeal from Hunger Games. Shit they casted Sansa for Jean Grey and she barely had fan support.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#135424: Oct 13th 2021 at 7:12:25 AM

Regé-Jean Page not being Adam Warlock is a bit of a missed opportunity. The ultimate lifeform being black would be interesting.

Didn't know Warlock was supposed to be the ultimate life form (I know very little about the guy). There might still be hope for a black ultimate life form if/when Blue Marvel gets adapted.

[up] Insert joke about no one liking Sansa here.

I'm not totally convinced Mystique's Adaptational Heroism is due solely to Lawrence's role on Hunger Games. She did her first X-Men move before Hunger Games was released and she was depicted in a more sympathetic light than usual since First Class. I think it's just a consequence of them wanting to do something different from Mystique than Romijn's version.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 13th 2021 at 7:18:52 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#135425: Oct 13th 2021 at 8:06:28 AM

I agree there isn't much Marvel can do to improve on Wolverine. All they can do is make him short and give him the costume.

So I expect it'll be a little while before we see Wolverine.

I'm curious who people want to be the mutant protagonists in the envitable MCU X-Men film? Because I could believe arguments either way that Jean and Scott are under/over exposed.


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