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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135351: Oct 11th 2021 at 6:51:19 PM

He has a wife?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#135352: Oct 11th 2021 at 7:00:22 PM

Lylla, she's a talking otter.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#135353: Oct 11th 2021 at 7:01:53 PM

My guess based on his previous roles is that Adam's going to be a super lame replacement hero for the Guardians after the events of Endgame and perhaps Love and Thunder depending on what happens there.

The legend has returned.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#135354: Oct 11th 2021 at 7:07:00 PM

Her

[nja]

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 11th 2021 at 7:07:45 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#135355: Oct 11th 2021 at 7:11:56 PM

Early Rocket content is wild because everything is just Rocky Raccoon references

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#135356: Oct 11th 2021 at 7:16:36 PM

Question: has the Silver Surfer ever been a Guardian of the Galaxy?

Because the notion that a proper live action version of the Silver Surfer would make a lot more people slam into "shut up and take my money" mode.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#135357: Oct 11th 2021 at 7:33:30 PM

I'm not sure. But I know Howard the Duck once used the Silver Surfer's Power Cosmic to surf the Guardians' ship away from the Collector.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#135358: Oct 11th 2021 at 7:33:46 PM

I don't think so, although he was on the Annihilators which were very briefly the Guardians' successors after the Thanos Imperative.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135359: Oct 11th 2021 at 8:32:11 PM

Moving away from GOTG 3 for a bit, does anyone get the feeling that Eternals is going to be compared to Avatar at some point? Given that they both involve aliens and are about gorgeous visuals and all...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#135360: Oct 11th 2021 at 8:53:21 PM

Honestly, Avatar gets mocked so much for ripping off other movies, I wouldn't be surprised if people claim it ripped off a movie that came out 12 years later.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Oct 11th 2021 at 11:53:37 AM

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#135361: Oct 11th 2021 at 9:20:50 PM

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Really? You could apply that to multiple movies.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#135362: Oct 11th 2021 at 11:11:42 PM

I'm certainly not expecting the X-Men to turn up, but I'm not going to be surprised if one of those post credit scenes involve some of the Eternals talking about the idea of mutants.

The Eternals weren't the ones that brought about mutants and mutants probably already exist anyway.

That's probably all we'll get, that mutants were always around.

Though Hulk has a bit of a no-kill rule going by the whole "Immediately analyze his destruction so no debris ever lands on anyone" logic.

Granted, that's mainly with Savage Hulk, as Devil Hulk pointed out.

Banner can't do much to stop Devil Hulk from killing anyone.

Edited by Cortez on Oct 11th 2021 at 2:21:01 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#135363: Oct 11th 2021 at 11:26:45 PM

In the comics while the Eternals didn't create Mutants, their creators the Celestials did create Mutants.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#135364: Oct 11th 2021 at 11:51:16 PM

It's sad that Adam Warlock will never meet Thanos in the MCU.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135365: Oct 11th 2021 at 11:52:34 PM

Make for a fun what if.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#135366: Oct 12th 2021 at 4:58:38 AM

[up][up][up] Yeah, and since we know that the Celestials are going to be heavily featured in the Eternals, there's an opportunity there.

[up]x4 I feel like a simple "mutants were always around, we just haven't mentioned them before" option would be like having a trilogy where a significant 3rd party to the main conflict is suddenly introduced in the final chapter with no foreshadowing in the previous two films and no reasons given why they haven't intervened previously, thus completely changing the entire tone of the conflict in the process.

Integrating mutants into the MCU is going to have tradeoffs. There's no way around it as trying to avoid the issue by not having an explicit reason for their previous absence has it's own pretty significant tradeoffs attached.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#135367: Oct 12th 2021 at 6:13:34 AM

[up] I mean, I for one want to keep Scarlet Witch as far away from mutants as possible given that those comic storylines in particular assassinated her character and used her as a plot device.

Okey Dokey!
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#135368: Oct 12th 2021 at 6:56:02 AM

an explicit reason for their previous absence

"Hello, my name is Charles Xavier. I teach a school for mutants to learn to control their powers and not be dangerous to society. I am also the most powerful telepath in the Marvel canon, and can erase as many memories as I need to in order to preserve the mutants' secret existence."

"So you've just been out here, hiding from all the secret organizations and superheroes and stuff? I mean, why do that? Why not trust the rest of the world with knowledge of you?"

"Well, I wouldn't say all of them. We did receive a lovely visitor from S.H.I.E.LD. some fifteen or twenty years back. And oh my, you would not believe the things I read in his mind! Well, I'm sure you would now; I believe all of that stuff has been leaked on the internet."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 12th 2021 at 7:02:08 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135369: Oct 12th 2021 at 8:00:32 AM

[up] I'd like to imagine that S.H.I.E.L.D agent was Jasper Sitwell.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#135370: Oct 12th 2021 at 8:15:12 AM

I'd have the mutant cover up tie into the villain's plan, so that way you have an entire film to let it breath that no mutants have been allowed to be superheros up until this point.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#135371: Oct 12th 2021 at 9:18:20 AM

Moving away from GOTG 3 for a bit, does anyone get the feeling that Eternals is going to be compared to Avatar at some point? Given that they both involve aliens and are about gorgeous visuals and all...

... that's the broadest comparison I've seen since a few days ago on these boards where someone went "He Who Remains is like Saddam Hussein, because they're both authoritarians who when they died, left a chaotic situation."

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DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#135372: Oct 12th 2021 at 9:40:43 AM

[up]The person your replying to actually made both those comments so ...

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135373: Oct 12th 2021 at 9:48:56 AM

Yeah, my ability to draw comparisons to other things kinda sucks, doesn't it?

Although the Avatar question is less about me personally, it's more me wondering "Will critics and audiences negatively compare those two films to one another in an attempt to seem high and mighty?"

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 12th 2021 at 9:49:39 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#135374: Oct 12th 2021 at 9:50:01 AM

I don’t really see anything they have in common.

Granted it’s been years since I’ve heard anything compared to Avatar considering how forgotten it is.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135375: Oct 12th 2021 at 9:59:45 AM

Maybe it's just me, but people either seem to have long forgotten about Avatar and have little interest to see the sequel, or they're James Cameron superfans and want it to be just as big as the first.

We'll just have to see. I personally don't think Avatar is all that amazing in retrospect. But it still had some unique ideas, and if the sequel expands upon them in detail in a way that makes me care about Pandora again, I'll give it full marks.

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