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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135251: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:07:42 AM

I dunno. The "cast Danny DeVito as this person" thing is getting to be a Discredited Meme for me.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 9th 2021 at 11:08:03 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135252: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:08:56 AM

But he actually does fit the character this time.

Wolverine is a short hairy meatball and so is Devitto. Their perfect.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#135253: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:10:16 AM

I nominate Chris Pratt

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135254: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:11:49 AM

Yeah, but Danny DeVito is in his mid-seventies. I think it would be hard for him to play a big action role like Wolverine at that age.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 9th 2021 at 11:16:03 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135255: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:12:17 AM

Oh yeah that’s a good point.

Forgot that he’s very old.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 9th 2021 at 11:12:36 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#135256: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:13:15 AM

Wolverine is also one of the suavest fuckers in the Marvel universe. Man's had more sex than Ego. And he's supposed to look eternally young, Devito's been showing his age.

It's just not good casting, no matter how much you try to meme that it is.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#135257: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:15:12 AM

I want Jared Keeso for Wolverine in the worst way. Both unironically and ironically somehow.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#135258: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:15:56 AM

The one character I'd really want Danny Devito to play is Mojo. I think he'd kill the "evil, megalomaniacally corrupt and amoral Hollywood producer" aspect of the character.

Were Hank and Janet active during the 70s? I like all your ideas, but I thought Hank was only a S.H.I.E.L.D scientist in the 70s, and only became Ant-Man in the 80s.

Looking it up, Hank was nebulously active during the 60's (like, in a "maybe" sort of way), definitely active during the 70's, and their big final mission was during the 80's.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 9th 2021 at 11:19:16 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135259: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:17:29 AM

[up] Okay, I want more MCU stuff that takes place in the 60s/70s now. All of the world-building and connection stuff!

Plus, it gives us an opportunity to see more of Zola. Me wanty more Zola.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#135260: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:20:55 AM

Danny Devito wouldn't be a a bad choice for Omega Flight's Puck, however. Mostly because I wanna see Devito delivering Puck's iconic speech from Immortal Hulk: "When I was eight, I hunted my first bear. Big grizzly. That was 1922, in the Yukon, and he kept us through a cold winter. In Spain, I fought bulls and fascists—and I let the bulls live. In Nepal, I hunted the tiger god and killed all fear in me. I've fought queens of dreams and the world's secret master. I've fought demons in Hell and stolen their thrones—and those thrones haven't bound me. And it all comes back to one thing. I was eight, full of bear meat and adventure—and I made a vow, Mr. Creel. I vowed I would live an interesting life. I think I've done okay so far, eh?"

EDIT: Devito as Mojo is also inspired.

Edited by Gaon on Oct 9th 2021 at 11:22:17 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#135261: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:36:27 AM

I don’t think Wolverine’s sex track record has anything to do with his appearance

Maybe it’s his musk

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#135262: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:40:20 AM

Isn't Puck another character who is incredibly athleticism based, and might be a bit... much for a lifelong non-action star / older gentleman like DeVito?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 9th 2021 at 11:40:31 AM

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#135263: Oct 9th 2021 at 8:55:57 PM

The MCU version of Alpha Flight will probably emerge after the Blip to explain why they didn't appear in the Infinity Saga. Perhaps, the Canadian government is trying to create it's own Avengers with the team fully disbanded.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135264: Oct 9th 2021 at 9:00:26 PM

[up] So one guy from Toronto, one guy from Alberta, a girl from Novascotia, a non-binary kid from Edmonton, a girl from Vancouver and a guy from Newfoundland? Probably won't happen, but that'd be my idea for a Canadian Avengers team, lol

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135265: Oct 9th 2021 at 9:03:35 PM

I love how Canada in the Marvel Universe is like the worst place ever since it’s where the infamous Weapon experiments took place

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#135266: Oct 9th 2021 at 9:07:26 PM

Canada has been riding that Weapon X atrocity for years.

Nixon built a UFO powered by draining the life out of mutants so he could try and take over the country and nobody calls America a hell hole.

Also: the frequent, frequent Sentinel programs.

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#135267: Oct 9th 2021 at 9:09:55 PM

@Matthew Wayne To be fair, we did get a brief reference to Department H in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Captain America: The Winter Soldier (if I recall). So, we might get an Alpha Flight film or TV show but it will on the backburner of post-Infinithy Saga projects.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135268: Oct 9th 2021 at 9:27:33 PM

[up] I must've missed the reference in Winter Soldier, especially since I don't know this particular character / group well. The Canadian in me should be ashamed, but oh well.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135269: Oct 9th 2021 at 9:29:38 PM

Actually, Canada being terrible in the Marvel Universe kinda aged well now that I think about it...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135270: Oct 9th 2021 at 10:27:01 PM

Is it wrong that I often think about similarities between Saddam Hussein and He Who Remains?

I mean, yes Hussein is a significantly worse person and committed far worse atrocities. But both of them were powerful dictators who, for better or worse, controlled what they put themselves in charge of with an iron fist. And when both of them were killed, it created a huge chaotic situation that's actually somewhat worse for the world overall.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but I think that's kinda interesting.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#135271: Oct 10th 2021 at 12:21:17 AM

[up] That's how it often is with any authoritarian leader / dictator. One of the reasons they stay in power is not violence but the belief that any alternative is worse. And in some societies, both modern and historical, that belief is sadly true.

It is ultimately the "freedom vs security" question, and sometimes the fear for one's security is so great that people are willing to sacrifice a lot of freedom. Basically, the less we trust others around us, the more power we are willing to give to someone who would protect us from them.

Especially in times of war (external threat; that's He Who Remains' argument) or in deeply divided societies (internal threat; like tribal and religious differences in Iraq).

Edited by Asherinka on Oct 10th 2021 at 10:35:46 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#135272: Oct 10th 2021 at 12:52:51 PM

As Ben Franklin once said, a people who are willing to sacrifice their own liberty for security deserve neither and, more importantly, will lose both.

When you give up everything to your government and they don't reciprocate the favor, there's not much you can do except begrudgingly continue to support them out of fear they'll either become or get replaced with something even worse.

He Who Remains is very much the latter situation.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Oct 10th 2021 at 3:56:35 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135273: Oct 10th 2021 at 1:00:25 PM

When you take out the head authority be wary of the power vacuum.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#135274: Oct 10th 2021 at 1:17:02 PM

I don’t really buy that all of HWR’s actions were necessary. Like, if he just wanted to prevent his malicious variants from emerging, couldn’t he just prevent his own birth in each timeline instead of cutting every variance at any point in time? If he had to force the multiverse to stick to one sole timeline, why not pick one where things turn out better for everyone overall like Starlord T’Challa’s or Party Thor’s timelines? Doesn’t more timelines mean more heroes who would be able to oppose the Kangs? If he has such a good reason, why has he kept it secret from everybody including his own enforcers?

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#135275: Oct 10th 2021 at 1:18:56 PM

Is it wrong that I often think about similarities between Saddam Hussein and He Who Remains?

So, he's gonna end up in a homosexual relationship with Mephisto?


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