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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#135226: Oct 7th 2021 at 3:49:24 PM

I always figured Peter being up for killing Thanos's forces was a simple matter of "They're not human. Doesn't count."

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#135227: Oct 7th 2021 at 3:54:31 PM

Though Hulk has a bit of a no-kill rule going by the whole "Immediately analyze his destruction so no debris ever lands on anyone" logic.

Only under Pak. Other writers thankfully don't pay attention to this. I mean even for comic books, that is just plain dumb. Especially considering that most of the time, Hulk just isn't intelligent enough for something like that.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135228: Oct 7th 2021 at 3:56:07 PM

Immortal Hulk does actually have Hulk killing people and in some very gruesome instances.

What does the Iron Spider suit do again aside from having spider-legs?

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 7th 2021 at 3:56:27 AM

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#135229: Oct 7th 2021 at 4:02:31 PM

[up] It smells like a new car.

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#135230: Oct 7th 2021 at 4:06:55 PM

Bulletproof and lets Peter breathe in space.

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#135231: Oct 7th 2021 at 5:57:36 PM

It has AI that allows it to kill people in the most efficient way possible. Very appropriate for a teenager to handle.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#135232: Oct 7th 2021 at 5:59:44 PM

Well apparently Tony considers this kind of thing perfectly fine to put in the hands of Peter, since he also gave him a drone army with full authority to kill whoever he wants with them...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135233: Oct 7th 2021 at 6:01:52 PM

So essentially its just slightly durable and can recommend how to kill someone in the quickest way it thinks works.

So its about as reliable as an average Iron Man armor.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 7th 2021 at 6:03:22 AM

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#135234: Oct 7th 2021 at 6:09:18 PM

In fairness Peter already has some great superpowers. A tricked out suit is garnish at best

In other fairness, the iron Spidey suit was supposed to be for when he was an adult and he’s only wearing it because he was asphyxiating in space.

In not fairness, Tony was definitely going to give it to him when he was Homecoming years old and like everybody in his sphere of bad decision making also though this was a good idea

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 7th 2021 at 9:09:37 AM

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#135235: Oct 7th 2021 at 6:13:09 PM

Doesn't it also have little web pods that he shoots out, stick to a wall, and shoot web out of them?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135236: Oct 7th 2021 at 6:17:41 PM

On further thought, what if the suit isn't actually intended to enhance Peter but simply to protect him?

It basically has an autopilot feature and knowing how protective Tony is he probably designed it purely to keep Peter safe more than anything.

Which would make the black suit kind of an offensive counterpart since it actually does enhances Peter's abilities to make him stronger, faster, and with better regen but at the same time makes him more aggressive.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 7th 2021 at 6:19:47 AM

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#135237: Oct 7th 2021 at 6:18:55 PM

“So building a suit of armor around the world was a bad idea. But I’m definitely going to build a suit of armor around Peter”

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#135238: Oct 7th 2021 at 7:03:41 PM

To clarify what people are talking about what Venom 2: the ending has Eddie and his symbiote get beamed up by what fans believe may be Dr. Strange's spell in No Way Home.

Some people are convinced that this is going to permanently merge Venom into the MCU. However, I highly doubt any of the guest stars are remaining past the end of No Way Home, Venom included (if he even is included).

So if you aren't interested in the movie but are wondering why everyone is saying Venom is MCU canon now or whatever, that's what that's about.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#135239: Oct 8th 2021 at 2:19:01 AM

I'm of the camp that the black suit/symbiote has been done to death, and I have no desire to see it again in a hurry. I'm glad that MCU Spidey films went with less obvious choices for villains like the Vulture and Mysterio.

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#135240: Oct 8th 2021 at 4:06:19 AM

the problem with the Venom suit is that it's cool and comes with awesome powers,and audiences love that stuff,the Venom Symbiote is a tried and tested villain that works is what I'm saying.

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#135241: Oct 9th 2021 at 4:08:26 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#135242: Oct 9th 2021 at 5:49:13 AM

I'm thinking about the mutants question, and I definatly do want Charles and Erik to have been people who operated in the 60s onwards, so the modern day is open for us to focus on the students and their coming of age experience.

But to explain how mutants hadn't become superheroes of note prior?

I'd probably just have the villain be Mr Sinister and say he's had the global mutant population forced under ground for the past sixty years because as soon as anyone uses their powers openly or outs themselves, he kidnaps them for exsprimenting.

Also I agree the mutant population could be tied to the infinity stones on earth. The Celestials do have ties to both mutant creation and the infinity stones. It also ties the Eternals to mutants in an interesting way. The initial sixties mutants were the result of fetuses being exposed to the use of the terract in world war 2.

And if you want a mutant population boom happening in the mid 2020s, the reality stone did the whole convergence thing over in Thor 2 in 2013. So ten years later in the modern MCU we'd be seing mutants from that event going through puberty and getting their powers.

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#135243: Oct 9th 2021 at 10:33:39 AM

[up] In regards to mutants not becoming superheroes or X-Men, maybe it's possible that Xavier is an Adaptational Nice Guy and was merely focused on being a school more than setting up something like the X-Men to fight villainy. But perhaps something happens that forces him to create the group later on.

I'd be down for the Eternals and/or the Celestials becoming responsible for the creation of mutants in the modern day. It would also be cool if the Infinity Stones resulted in more mutants as well, but they're destroyed in the Sacred Timeline. Oh well. We saw what happened to Captain Marvel and the Maximoff twins after the Tesseract and Loki's Scepter affected them respectively. Imagine how cool it would be to have some of the other Infinity Stones turn other people into mutants. I wonder what powers the Time, Reality and Soul Stones would've given people if they were exposed to their effects in a different way...

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#135244: Oct 9th 2021 at 10:43:39 AM

Yeah, the whole "no mutant superheroes" thing could be explained by the mutant community simply being more focused on being a secret community than fighting. TBH, placing the X-Men during things like Jim Crow or McCarthyism would help enhance that: in a time period where people are intensely, violently hostile to anything different from them, the mutant narrative could work really well as a fight to simply exist without anyone knowing.

Also, there's the possibility that we could have superheroes unveiled in the past who were mutants, but didn't tell anybody about it.

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#135245: Oct 9th 2021 at 10:45:44 AM

I know we're all sick of seeing Wolverine, but I would also love a flashback of Logan and Steve fighting side-by-side in WW2.

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#135246: Oct 9th 2021 at 10:47:53 AM

[up] Eh, it's not just Wolverine. I feel like Steve Rogers needs to rest for a bit. What If was fun, but outside of that, appearances from Steve would kind of overshadow everything else imo.

[up][up] Yeah, I agree with those ideas.

I know some people here have disapproved of this idea because it makes Charles' school seem like yet another Hidden Elf Village when Wakanda and the Mandarin's wife's village exist, but I honestly don't see it that way. The School for Gifted Youngsters always seemed like your typical private boarding school that primarily about learning than it was for hiding.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 9th 2021 at 10:49:09 AM

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#135247: Oct 9th 2021 at 10:49:09 AM

[up][up]I don't know if they'd be able to do that in live-action without a narmy amount of Fake Shemping for Chris Evans, but I could easily see that as a future What If.

Edited by lbssb on Oct 9th 2021 at 10:49:34 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#135248: Oct 9th 2021 at 10:55:01 AM

I've always really wanted them to make a movie about the Invaders (Cap, The Original Human Torch, Namor) set during Cap's WW 2 days, but yeah. Now that Evans is out that ain't happening. Maybe they can replace Cap with Wolverine.

But the more I think about it, the more I really want an MCU 60's-70's era series. You could have Hank and Janet adventures, you could put the early X-Men there, and I still think it would be a fun nod if we there was a plot where Wenwu went up against Howard Stark.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 9th 2021 at 10:55:23 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#135249: Oct 9th 2021 at 10:56:30 AM

[up] Were Hank and Janet active during the 70s? I like all your ideas, but I thought Hank was only a S.H.I.E.L.D scientist in the 70s, and only became Ant-Man in the 80s.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135250: Oct 9th 2021 at 11:05:04 AM

I still say they should cast Danny Devitto to play Wolverine.

Guy looks exactly like Logan would in real life.

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