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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#135151: Oct 7th 2021 at 3:56:30 AM

What If’s Star-Lord T’Challa Almost Got His Own Marvel Show

While speaking with Variety, director Bryan Andrews revealed that episode 2 of What If...? wasn't supposed to be T'Challa's only time playing Star-Lord. According to Andrews and head writer A.C. Bradley, an entire T'Challa Star-Lord spinoff series was in the works. Andrews' full quote can be read below:

"There was planning to have Star Lord T’Challa spin off into his own show. We were all very excited. We know [Chadwick] would have loved it, too.”

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#135152: Oct 7th 2021 at 5:31:30 AM

[up] Why can't we have nice things? sadsadsad

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 7th 2021 at 10:54:12 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#135153: Oct 7th 2021 at 8:00:29 AM

sighs

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 7th 2021 at 8:00:39 AM

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#135155: Oct 7th 2021 at 8:04:09 AM

[up][up][up][up] Of all the universes, Star Lord T'Challa simultaneously was the most interesting the the one I was (almost)note  least interested in having a continuation of.

Like... I think it ended well. It's as close to a Golden Ending as possible and still made me feel like their adventures will go on without me watching it. I'm likely biased due to Chadwick Boseman's passing but even if he were alive and just passed on the project I think I'd be okay with it.

Edited by Larkmarn on Oct 7th 2021 at 11:04:47 AM

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#135156: Oct 7th 2021 at 8:14:48 AM

[up][up] With Agatha, I could see them doing a Villain Protagonist story with her time in New Salem, Colorado. And considering her comics tenure as a tutor to Wanda, I could see that being part of the story too (although that might be saved for another Scarlet Witch-based Disney Plus show).

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#135157: Oct 7th 2021 at 8:40:22 AM

Yeah I'm not exactly mourning the loss of the Star Lord T'Challa show either. I also don't really think it too interesting to explore on its own, which means to me the show would've largely been a vehicle for Boseman to flex his (already impressive) voice-acting chops. Even if T'Challa was recasted there's not much of a need for the show without Boseman.

And seeing him in What If really highlighted to me just how much of a talent we lost with Boseman's passing. Voice acting is not something a Hollywood film actor can just jump into and he, without any prior experience, took it like a fish to water. The man really was only just getting started as a superstar. sad

As for the Agatha show, I've got no problems watching more Kathryn Hahn but I'll admit I'm deeply confused what they're gonna do with her. She doesn't exactly have comics material of her own to really mine, so they're going to have to get very creative.

Edited by Watchtower on Oct 7th 2021 at 12:39:10 PM

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#135158: Oct 7th 2021 at 8:43:20 AM

Like I said in the WV thread. Fantastic Four backdoor pilot.

That said, my initial reaction is admittedly "ok...but why?". She was fun, but not really a character I was clamoring to see more of.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#135159: Oct 7th 2021 at 8:49:21 AM

I hope the Doom we get keeps the mask on most of the time. tongue

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135160: Oct 7th 2021 at 9:20:06 AM

[up][up] This is one flaw of modern-day storytelling that I have to admit that I'm getting a little sick of.

For whatever reason, whenever a character gets popular, the studio always tries to push for a spinoff focusing exclusively on that character, in spite of how pointless it is. It happened with The Jesus Rolls, which literally nobody watched because he was meant to be a One-Scene Wonder and nothing else. Nobody gave a shit about the character outside of that one scene.

Sooner or later, we're gonna get an entire Disney+ show that focuses on some idiot scratching his ass in the background because he ends up getting memed to death on the internet. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Avengers came out in this year, we'd get an animated spinoff episode based entirely on the Galaga Guy.

People, some characters aren't created to be exclusively focused on. They work better as antagonists or side characters. Please remember this.

(That being said, I do list Frasier as an exception)

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 7th 2021 at 9:21:46 AM

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#135161: Oct 7th 2021 at 9:22:35 AM

Agents of Shield was a Coulson spinoff after Avengers

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135162: Oct 7th 2021 at 9:26:44 AM

[up] I haven't watched that show, so I don't feel qualified to give an opinion on the overall quality.

I hear it's popular, but considering it's on the verge of Canon Discontinuity, it makes this concept even more pointless in my eyes.

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#135163: Oct 7th 2021 at 9:38:23 AM

Hey guess it really was Agatha all along. Lol.

Wonder if we'll see her son Nicholas and the salem seven

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#135164: Oct 7th 2021 at 9:41:17 AM

But canonicity doesn't have anything to do with quality.

I wouldn't judge so early. The reaction (IIRC) to the announcement of a spinoff starring two supporting members of the Avengers, one of whom is already dead, was tepid.

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#135165: Oct 7th 2021 at 10:06:19 AM

My money's on a Multiverse of Madness teaser dropping sometime around Halloween. This is for a few reasons:

First, the horror elements might make a Halloween release appropriate.

Second, Halloween is inside the window for when the teasers for the last two Marvel Studios MCU films dropped: The Eternals teaser dropped on May 24th, 165 days before release (which for DS:MOM would be this coming Monday), and Shang-Chi dropped its teaser on April 19th, 137 days before release (which would be November 8 for DS:MOM, around when Eternals comes out in theaters).

Third, I think Disney has every reason to try and draw some attention away from No Way Home (even with all the hype brought up from the content leaks on No Way Home) because if I remember correctly, the current deal has Sony take the lion's share of the money made from No Way Home's box office gross.

I mean, let's face it, that would probably allow the teaser to stand out when there’s a huge log of MCU content coming out in November and December. There's barely a six week window between the release of Eternals and No Way Home, and Hawkeye is also going to be airing.

For whatever reason, whenever a character gets popular, the studio always tries to push for a spinoff focusing exclusively on that character, in spite of how pointless it is. It happened with The Jesus Rolls, which literally nobody watched because he was meant to be a One-Scene Wonder and nothing else. Nobody gave a shit about the character outside of that one scene.

I remember people who wanted Daughters of the Dragon after The Defenders came out due to the interactions between Misty and Colleen, and there's a part of Iron Fist season 2 that feels like it was trying to act as a backdoor pilot for a Daughters of the Dragon show.

Edited by dmcreif on Oct 7th 2021 at 1:07:40 PM

Okey Dokey!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135166: Oct 7th 2021 at 10:16:57 AM

@Matthew Wayne Hey that especially applies to popular supervillains too.

Most infamously Venom in the case of Marvel but you also look at DC and whenever a villain gets really popular they somewhat have a habit of turning softening them up for widespread appeal.

E.g. Deathstroke, Harley Quinn, and Poison Ivy.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 7th 2021 at 10:25:57 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135167: Oct 7th 2021 at 10:22:30 AM

[up] Yeah, I agree. Especially with the DC characters.

Venom is...complicated. I don't like how they gave him Adaptational Heroism right from the start in the first two films, minus the cannibalism urges. But at the same time, the character does start out a villain before becoming an Anti-Hero. So it just feels like Sony jumped the gun a bit with the character.

That being said, I really am not interested in seeing Sony try to make all their villains sympathetic if they're still focusing on the Sinister Six thing (minus whatever the hell's happening in No Way Home). There's literally no point in fleshing out your villains if all you're going to do is build them up to fight and subsequently be defeated by Spider-Man.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#135168: Oct 7th 2021 at 10:24:23 AM

[up][up] I don't know how to say this without being a dick but I think you mean "e.g." not "ergo." E.g. means "for example" and "ergo" means "therefore." Ergo could... theoretically work there but it really doesn't fit.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135169: Oct 7th 2021 at 10:27:48 AM

[up] Alright then.

[up][up] Shame what the movies did since Venom is a pretty dynamic character especially if we take his multiple hosts into account. He went through many phases, more than most characters.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135170: Oct 7th 2021 at 11:27:10 AM

I only remember reading one Spider-Man comic involving Venom, which had him and Spider-Man teaming up to try to fight crime. Eventually it dissolved when Venom got captured by some woman wearing a top hat, Spider-Man easily defeated her and then revealed that Venom had been sabotaging him and turned on the foghorn.

Also, there was a lot of talk about Lewis Carrol for some reason.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#135171: Oct 7th 2021 at 12:17:40 PM

I think that was from one of the adventures books where Venom orchestrated a crime with White Rabbit.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135172: Oct 7th 2021 at 1:06:13 PM

[up] Yeah, that seems about right.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#135173: Oct 7th 2021 at 1:10:28 PM

I remember Venom looking really weird in some of those Adventure books. He still had More Teeth than the Osmond Family, but they weren't fangs. They were just oversized, misshapen human teeth.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Oct 7th 2021 at 4:10:43 AM

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#135174: Oct 7th 2021 at 1:18:50 PM

I mean, they could do the Sinister Six movie without teaming up to fight Spider-Man. The impression I got from Sony's plans is that they're planning on doing a sort of MCU/DCEU thing, creating an edgy antihero 'verse out of various characters from the Spider-Man mythos. With the Sinister Six film being their big Avengers/Justice League film.

I'm honestly fascinated by what Sony's doing. It's very different from what Marvel and DC are doing. Rather than a mostly-faithful adaptation, it's more like a creative writing exercise.

Like. Imagine spinning the Wheel of Marvel Characters at random. It lands on Blind Al. Cool. Now write me a two hour script about Blind Al. I don't mean a Deadpool script that Blind Al appears in. I mean, tell me a story where Blind Al is the lead protagonist. Give me a Blind Al movie.

Then give me a movie about Annihilus. Man, what would that even BE?! It boggles imagination! Write me an Annihilus film that makes me sympathize with Annihilus and root for him.

Etc. etc. These are movies that simply would not exist under the typical "Superhero fights a supervillain" model of adaptation. Often featuring characters that would never see screentime. Like, we were never getting Carnage. Not going to happen. There is so much that has to be done just to set up Venom; Carnage is off the table, especially since people would much rather move on to Jackal or Lizard or something after Venom instead of more symbiotes. There would never be a movie where Spider-Man fights Carnage.

But if you just throw all that setup work in a bonfire, then there can be a movie where Venom fights Carnage.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 7th 2021 at 1:19:48 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135175: Oct 7th 2021 at 1:25:10 PM

I’m pretty sure more people would wanna see symbiote stuff over seeing the fucking Jackal.

And plus Carnage has been done before it’s not hard. The main reason it’s a problem now with the movies is due to Sony keeping a lid on the Venom-related stuff away from Marvel.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 7th 2021 at 1:26:09 AM

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