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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#135076: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:59:41 PM

It sounds like a cheaper alternative to CGI,practical even,but there's clearly elements of "we just wanted to see her naked in blue paint"

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#135077: Oct 6th 2021 at 2:04:42 PM

I guess she's naked as an explanation for her including clothes in her transformations. But that's a pretty forced and dumb explanation on my part. [lol]

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#135078: Oct 6th 2021 at 2:13:24 PM

[up] Especially since there's literally nothing stopping her from shapeshifting into "herself, but wearing clothes".

She might still be technically naked in a Fridge Logic sort of way, but that's not really the issue.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135079: Oct 6th 2021 at 2:15:36 PM

In hindsight, why was she naked in the first place?

Who came up with that and signed off on that.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 6th 2021 at 2:19:15 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#135080: Oct 6th 2021 at 2:18:23 PM

I mean Bryan Singer was the director of the first two X-Men films, so.... yeah...

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#135081: Oct 6th 2021 at 2:39:25 PM

She was naked because Bryan Singer wanted Rebecca Romijn to walk around the set naked. There's really nothing more to it than that.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#135082: Oct 6th 2021 at 2:41:10 PM

In blue paint!

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#135083: Oct 6th 2021 at 2:55:51 PM

I mean, back then I actually thought it was a stylistically interesting choice. But yeah, in retrospect it didn't age well.....

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#135084: Oct 6th 2021 at 2:58:38 PM

I thought the creep Signer was more interested in uh..young boys than women though.

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#135085: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:08:40 PM

I’m sure they were also well aware that putting a naked blue woman on the poster and in the trailers would get certain demographics into theatres

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#135086: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:11:18 PM

-holds up hand-

Guilty as charged.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#135087: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:13:32 PM

....I assumed it was make-up over a body suit....

Was she like, actually naked? 0_o

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#135088: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:14:36 PM

yes.

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#135089: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:14:40 PM

Before DOFP came out J Law was on record saying she was really happy to wear a bodysuit instead of having to sit and get painted for eight hours, which, yeah, the bar for our superhero actresses was in hell.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#135090: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:15:34 PM

Well fuck.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#135091: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:17:25 PM

Imagine if they had done somthing similar with Hulk..actually don't

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#135092: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:20:04 PM

To be fair, Rebecca looked far more realistic and detailed than Jennifer.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 6th 2021 at 12:20:10 PM

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#135093: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:37:27 PM

Rebecca Romjin was a model before she went into acting, so she presumably had a greater experience and tolerance for obscenely long preparation times (runways being notorious for this sort of thing).

Romjin had not only the eight hour long preparation but also had the yellow lenses that made Romjin have to act half-blind so her perfomance in the first three films is fairly impressive with that in mind. Very physical performance, which I particularly found more impressive than Lawrence's Mystique (where she's not really going out of her comfort zone at all and just playing a blue katniss).

Edited by Gaon on Oct 6th 2021 at 3:37:46 AM

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#135094: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:37:32 PM

As a kid, I never really saw the fanservice-like parts of Mystique's design. I just thought maybe she didn't have genitals or something.

And yeah, Rebecca was apparently more comfortable with being naked in blue paint than Mystique was. Though given the amount of hell the next actress and the painters would have to go through, I think maybe ditching the nude part of the character is for the best, regardless of how kinky it is.

[up] And yes, I agree that Lawrence's Mystique was just a shittier Katniss Everdeen, but blue and less sympathetic.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 6th 2021 at 3:38:59 AM

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#135095: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:41:36 PM

She was good in the first two movies, then phoned it in for Apocalypse, and then might as well have just read off of cue cards in her hand on-camera for Dark Phoenix.

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#135096: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:41:56 PM

She was good in First Class, but very clearly Over It by the last two.

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Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 6th 2021 at 5:45:55 AM

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#135097: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:42:57 PM

She peaked in DOFP as Mystique deciding her own fate, but then she became an X-Men oh sorry X-Woman. -_-

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#135098: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:45:31 PM

I thought First Class was the only one she seemed to be trying. Days of Future Past onwards is a downhill slope.

But I am also of the opinion First Class is the best one of the post X2 era and that DOFP is actually kinda shit.

Edited by Gaon on Oct 6th 2021 at 3:45:44 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135099: Oct 6th 2021 at 3:51:21 PM

Reminds me of this video praising Romijn’s performance as Mystique as very underrated.

She wasn’t a 3-dimensional character but she had presence and played the dragon very well with a great degree of physicality, being a very menacing guy combatant compared to Lawrence’s Mystique where they tried to make her a “complex character” but bungled it.

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#135100: Oct 6th 2021 at 4:00:12 PM

Good mystique just kind of ended up being boring. She works so much better as a real piece of shit character.

I’d kind of like to see her as a proper leader of the brotherhood in the MCU, but also, kind of hope she’s not involved since she’s had so much focus already. Preferably her, Magneto, Xavier and Wolverine will take a serious backseat for at least a while if we do get MCU X-men, there are so many other characters who need a chance to shine.


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