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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#135051: Oct 6th 2021 at 11:46:49 AM

WV was already the "Wanda has a meltdown" installment, I sincerely doubt we are getting any more House of M.[nja]

As much as I miss the comics Magneto-Wanda-Pietro dynamic, introducing it here with a Luke, I Am Your Father would feel cheap too, since so much of the WV catalyst was her love for her family.

Her comics counterpart has served more time as an Avenger than an X-Men-adjacent character in any case, so I don't think she'll have any major ties to them (assuming they even show up in the next decade).

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 6th 2021 at 1:50:22 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#135052: Oct 6th 2021 at 11:50:50 AM

Yeah. It's far too late to play the Magneto is Wanda's dad in this universe.

Plus, the fact that the first mention of her in relation to them is keep her away so we don't get House of M means maybe it's better for both sides if she's not tied to that.

Though also, it means she's not a mutant anymore, but that ship may have also sailed in the MCU.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135053: Oct 6th 2021 at 11:52:40 AM

Though a Mutant reveal could explain how Quicksilver got his powers depending if you believe Wanda's magic was solely responsible for that.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#135054: Oct 6th 2021 at 12:23:44 PM

WandaVision basically took the salvageable parts of House of M and made the whole thing an actual story that's about Wanda rather than use her as a plot device.

At this point, I'm interested in seeing Doctor Strange and Wanda learn a few things from each other. Doctor Strange in particular really needs to learn how to not be overpowered by telekinetics (given how he was helpless when Ebony Maw immobilized his hands).

I'm also interested in seeing Strange use the Eye of Agomotto's other various abilities in Multiverse of Madness and/or No Way Home.

From the Wikipedia article:

The Eye is a weapon of wisdom that can radiate a powerful mystical light that allows Strange to see through all disguises and illusions, see past events, and track both ethereal and corporeal beings by their psychic or magical emissions. The light given off by the Eye also weakens a variety of evil mystical beings, such as demons, devils, undead beings, dark extradimensional entities, and even sufficiently corrupt human practitioners of the Dark Arts. Strange can use it to probe the minds of others, project a powerful mystical shield, and create portals to other dimensions. It has also been used to place beings into suspended animation, and it serves as the clasp for his Cloak of Levitation; during the early years of the Defenders Strange used the light of the Eye to levitate objects as heavy as the Hulk and Professor Xavier plus his wheelchair together, or the Thing, with minimal effort while simultaneously magically controlling the cloak to fly himself, carrying a total of at least seven Megagrams (fifteen thousand pounds). The Eye of Agamotto can be used to transport a group of dozens of beings of all kinds and power levels into another point within a universe, as Strange did to combat the threat of Thanos.

It looks like Strange is still wearing the Eye in the No Way Home teaser and in leaked Multiverse of Madness crew art, so maybe they plan to make it an actual artifact with its own powers beyond just being a carrier for the Time Stone.

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The sleepiest good boi
#135055: Oct 6th 2021 at 12:41:06 PM

Meanwhile the MCU has like, two Asian superheroes, and I'm gonna pitch a fit if anything happens to them.
You're right. We can't afford to lose Shang-Chi or Sersi.

Yeah, especially since we almost had that controversy with Simu Liu recently that thankfully turned out to be nothing.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#135056: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:05:42 PM

Notice that this kind of shit is only happening with the minority actors. Gwyneth Paltrow has been running a horrid "alternative medicine" (snake-oil) company for years, and people haven't been going after her to be fired. She's literally worse than Letitia, since she's both anti-vax and profiting off of it.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 6th 2021 at 1:15:26 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#135057: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:06:52 PM

Probably because she has not much reason to come back now.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135058: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:08:48 PM

[up][up] I guess one can argue that she's left the MCU and doesn't really plan on returning to it...but yeah, that started up back in what, 2016? And it's pretty bad.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135059: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:09:43 PM

The benefit to only being a character's love interest I guess.

Now that Tony's dead hopefully she doesn't come back ever.

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#135060: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:10:19 PM

You don't think she's gonna have a major role in Ironheart and Armor Wars? Especially now that she has the Rescue suit?

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135061: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:11:44 PM

I think it was announced a while back that Paltrow doesn't have any interest in coming back. So I think anything involved Ironheart or the like will just be Adapted Out or transferred to another character.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135062: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:14:34 PM

Well there's nothing wrong with more Rhodey.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#135063: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:21:13 PM

Huh off the top of my head the X-Men has Sunfire (Japanese), Karama (Vietnamese), Psylocke (Japanese).

Well, Fox-Men really did a pretty impressive job of wasting female Asian mutants with roles that were theoretically interesting even though they were essentially nothing. Ignoring The Wolverine which is its whole separate bag of worms, X2 had Lady Deathstrike (the beautiful mind-controlled Dragon Lady who snapped out of her mind-control as soon as she was freed), X3 had a Psylocke who was apparently important but I genuinely don't know if she had any lines and died in an afterthought, DOFP had Blink who had a fascinating and fun power but literally no character, Apocalypse had Jubilee and Psylocke who were... nothing.

Like... that's kinda impressive in its own way.

Meanwhile the MCU has like, two Asian superheroes, and I'm gonna pitch a fit if anything happens to them.

Also Mantis, sorta, who is like, a thousand percent less Unfortunate Implications than her comic book counterpart. Also, not a superhero but I do think Jimmy Woo might be the single most non-controversially popular character in the MCU at this point. No one dislikes Jimmy Woo.

Edited by Larkmarn on Oct 6th 2021 at 4:23:19 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#135064: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:24:35 PM

Wong has been ignored and that’s surprising to me.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#135065: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:27:41 PM

You don't think she's gonna have a major role in Ironheart and Armor Wars? Especially now that she has the Rescue suit?

Pepper was never interested in being a superhero and she has even less reason to be involved in any Armor Wars stuff now that Tony is dead and she has a daughter to raise. I'd be surprised if we ever see Pepper Potts in the MCU again, let alone in the Rescue Armor.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135066: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:29:01 PM

[up][up][up] TBF the Foxmen pretty much wasted every female character......... except for Mystique.

Holy fuck she really is the only female X-Men aside from I guess Rogue and Jean with any substantial characterization and focus, and thats only because they completely retrofitted the franchise to bank off of Jennifer Lawrence's then star power.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 6th 2021 at 1:29:38 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#135067: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:30:59 PM

the beautiful mind-controlled Dragon Lady who snapped out of her mind-control as soon as she was freed

Don't you mean killed?

I'm not sure if the movie version of Lady Deathstrike is more or less offensive than her comic counterpart. It's amazing how much tone-deaf stuff there is when it comes to Wolverine.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 6th 2021 at 1:31:33 AM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#135068: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:38:27 PM

Errr, yeah. Thanks.

It's kinda impressive that they tried to avoid the Yellow Peril and/or Dragon Lady aspects of the character and choose "hey, let's dive head first into Mighty Whitey and Mellow Yellow territory instead."

But that's kinda what I mean when I say they gave the Asian female characters enough to be... not nothing. Like, her death is genuinely interesting and tragic and yet it's ultimately absolutely nothing. Blink's been noted to have a particularly striking powerset and design and yet literally zero characterization. Psylocke has been The Dragon to three separate mutant groups and yet her personality is "sometimes has a sword."

Edited by Larkmarn on Oct 6th 2021 at 4:40:31 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135069: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:52:40 PM

[up][up][up] Even when they gave Mystique more screen-time, it came at the expense of a massive amount of Character Derailment imo.

As boring and two-dimensional of a character Mystique was in the first three X-Men films, at least she was actually a villainous character. I really didn't care for the Adaptational Heroism she got after Jennifer Lawrence was cast. Maybe it's just my nostalgia kicking in, but I prefer her as a snake-like villain to an uncertain hero.

If they do bring back Mystique in the MCU, I hope she's a conflicted and unique character, but still a straight villain.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 6th 2021 at 1:54:01 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#135070: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:54:39 PM

I just hope they don't make the actress playing her do so naked in blue paint

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135071: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:57:03 PM

[up] Yeah, given that Disney's in control now, I highly doubt they're going to allow that much nudity.

Honestly, I wasn't all that bothered with Mystique being naked all the time in the Foxmen movies, and I did think that the idea behind it was cool. But it really isn't all that important or necessary in the grand scheme of things, so I'm fine if they give her a comics accurate costume or something close.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#135072: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:57:35 PM

Kinda weird too when she uses an actual costume in the comics.

Not sure why they did that in the films.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#135074: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:58:26 PM

Make it equal by having fellow shapeshifter Vision naked all the time. tongue

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#135075: Oct 6th 2021 at 1:59:32 PM

Armor Wars is the only work that Pepper Potts could pop in the post-Infinity Saga MCU since she and War Machine are tied to Iron Man.


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