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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#135026: Oct 6th 2021 at 9:19:39 AM

I'm kinda curious, has any version of Ultron adopted Pym particles?

I only have a basic grasp of Marvel lore, but I'm leaning towards no.

Hey. So, anyone remember when Letitia Wright shared some really controversial things about the COVID-19 vaccines?

Hollywood Reporter is saying she's apparently still doing it on the set of BP2. (Emphasis is mine.)

From studio backlots to agency conference rooms, the vaccine debate is dividing Hollywood just as the delta variant keeps up its destructive path. While vaccine skeptics are far less likely to voice their opinions publicly, plenty of industry holdouts remain. A number of performers, from Rob Schneider (now shooting Netflix’s Home Team) to Letitia Wright (filming Marvel’s Black Panther: Wakanda Forever) have shared anti-vaccine positions on social media. In Wright’s case, a set source says she has espoused similar views about the COVID-19 vaccines on the Atlanta production. The British actress quietly parted ways with her entire U.S. team of representatives in the wake of a backlash over posting a controversial anti-vaccine video in December.

The part about her "parting ways with her U.S. team of representatives" has more than certainly set off some huge red flags for me...

Pagetopper.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 6th 2021 at 12:22:21 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135027: Oct 6th 2021 at 9:45:49 AM

Well, that's going to be difficult to handle.

If Marvel decides to recast Shuri, people who want T'Challa recast are going to accuse them of being hypocrites for not doing so for Chadwick Boseman while willing to find someone else for Shuri.

If they keep her on, it'll look bad for PR, and could potentially be incredibly dangerous if Wright actually manages to convince more people to buy into the anti-vax theories she's sharing.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#135029: Oct 6th 2021 at 9:49:13 AM

[up][up] Oh man, and if they end up changing their minds about not recasting T'Challa, people will still call them hypocrites after saying they wouldn't.

And as someone on Twitter described it, having Wright be the next BP would be like subbing Pedro Pascal for Gina Carano on The Mandalorian.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 6th 2021 at 12:50:16 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135030: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:00:09 AM

[up] I wouldn't go that far. Both Wright and Carano are bad people, but I consider Carano significantly worse. At least Wright deleted her social media immediately, and tried to go underground after she revealed who she really was. Carano was actively hateful and troll-like with her online actions, whereas Wright seems to be more of a stubborn, uninformed idiot.

But I agree with the point you're trying to make.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 6th 2021 at 10:09:27 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#135031: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:07:56 AM

[up] Thanks. I mean, I wouldn't say no to them recasting T'Challa and Shuri if they end up needing to disavow Wright, but I'm worried about the major poopstorm of hypocrisy such an action will cause online.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 6th 2021 at 1:08:43 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#135032: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:08:29 AM

There's no good solution to this.

They're gonna get set a flame no matter what they do.

One Strip! One Strip!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135033: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:10:21 AM

Man, why did the Black Panther franchise have to be saddled with so much bad luck?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#135034: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:30:20 AM

[up] I don't know! It's almost as if the universe didn't want there to be black superheroes and it sucks so much!

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135035: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:33:57 AM

[up] I mean, I guess we have Captain America and the new Blade movie coming out soon...but like, c'mon man.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135036: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:36:27 AM

When we get the X-Men they are definitely going to be going all in on Storm.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135037: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:38:00 AM

They're definitely going in on Ironheart, if what I've heard about Wakanda Forever is true.

Oh yeah, we also have Monica Rambeau. I bet she's gonna get some good action in The Marvels and / or Secret Invasion.

And Armor Wars for Rhodey. Anybody else I'm forgetting?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 6th 2021 at 10:41:12 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#135038: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:42:02 AM

or maybe as one of the few movies with a strong focus on a black superhero it's more noticeable? (ergo,similar movies have problems but as there's more of them its less notable more widespread)

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135039: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:47:46 AM

Its a big issue for Black Panther since he is his own hero.

The other characters like Rhodey and Monica are legacy heroes or part of ensemble casts like Storm.

The Black Panther though stands alone. He doesn't have to share anything with a white guy, he is a black superhero has his own mythology all to himself. So its sad that BP is experiencing all this difficulty.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 6th 2021 at 10:48:25 AM

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#135040: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:48:27 AM

[up][up]Meanwhile the MCU has like, two Asian superheroes, and I'm gonna pitch a fit if anything happens to them.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#135041: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:52:36 AM

[up] You're right. We can't afford to lose Shang-Chi or Sersi.

I also hope we get more Asian superheroes when the X-Men show up.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#135042: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:54:13 AM

[up][up][up] (*slams hand on the table*) Thank you! I mean, yes all those afore-mentioned black superheroes are valid, but BP has been needing this kind of prominence since forever!

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 6th 2021 at 1:54:27 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135043: Oct 6th 2021 at 10:59:48 AM

Huh off the top of my head the X-Men has Sunfire (Japanese), Karama (Vietnamese), Psylocke (Japanese).

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#135044: Oct 6th 2021 at 11:00:42 AM

How could you forget Armor here, and Jubilee tongue

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#135045: Oct 6th 2021 at 11:10:07 AM

Armor was really cool in the X-Men anime.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135046: Oct 6th 2021 at 11:14:24 AM

Oh yeah the Foxmen also wasted Jubilee

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#135047: Oct 6th 2021 at 11:40:56 AM

Whatever they do with the X-Men, please for the love of God keep Wanda away from them.

Okey Dokey!
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#135048: Oct 6th 2021 at 11:42:28 AM

Agree with that, I don't need an House of M adaptation.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#135049: Oct 6th 2021 at 11:43:36 AM

[insert joke here about Cosmo and Wanda from fairly odd parents]

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135050: Oct 6th 2021 at 11:44:55 AM

They might or they might not, who knows. We'll have to wait and see.

Though it be pretty cool to see a Wanda with actual agency going against Magneto.

[up][up] Though Wanda Vision was already kind of a House of M adaptation.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 6th 2021 at 11:45:27 AM

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